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Old 11-08-2014, 04:38 PM   #11
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Grumpy.. I tried to look up the FR warranty and could not find anything... I see your moving from your Seneca to a Pinnacle... what made that decision ?

I like the Jayco Greyhawk but finding information on it is like having to do so much reading and searching... for example... I have not yet found the R value of the walls, floor and ceiling... or if they have the polar package available .. We would like to use the coach longer in the year.. But I'm continuing to read and search.. Like I said what caught my eye on the FR was the 7500lb tow weight.... but it's becoming less and less of an issue I think...
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Old 11-08-2014, 05:50 PM   #12
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I would NOT recommend the Greyhawk especially for your application. The Ford E-450 chassis will go to 22,000# GCWR and Jayco has put the Federally required sticker stating such. However, since Jayco - really Mor-Ryde butt welded weak frame rail extensions onto the end of the Greyhawk Jayco only puts a 5,000# rated hitch. Many companies will do a "sub-frame" beef up and attach a hitch directly to the Ford frame via bolts (Per Ford specifications) and that will technically allow you to tow up to 7,500# within the law. That said however Jayco will VOID all warranties on your unit if you do this. The person in charge Celina Tyler has no mercy on this topic and does not RV. She will use guile and deception to get you to tell her what has been done and then drop the bomb on you. It doesn't matter that the Jayco sticker states 22,000# GCWR. Many other manufacturers have in fact upped the tow rating for their E-450 based units without requiring hitch modifications. While no motorhome or RV is without issues I strongly recommend against any Jayco product. PM me if you want more information.
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Old 11-08-2014, 08:30 PM   #13
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Not sure which I'd pick if we were to get a class c again. We owned a 2013 Forester 3121 for almost a year. It was no better than a Jayco really. A few features that are nicer than the Jayco yes, but nothing that just puts it over the edge. FR calls it a fiberglass roof, but it's really not what you or I would think of as "fiberglass". Think, gas station bathroom wall, or that white pebble finish stuff for bathrooms at lowes or home depot. Pretty much similar stuff, and pretty darn thin. It works, but there were several reports of cracking in some. Same issue with Tiffin. Had a 2012 35QBA, but it did in fact have a true fiberglass roof. Problem with there's was, it cracked too, mainly at the radius portion to the side wall. Not sure if they ever got that fixed, but they were repairing 3 a day at the factory for a LONG time. After owning those 2 with those roofs, I'm sticking to the almighty cheap rubber.

As for bigfoot levelers on the Forester, you can do what you want with them if not using the auto level feature. If you want 1 side to come up, 2 buttons, 1 jack, 1 button. You can twist it if you want being you can run each jack individually. I liked the HWH system better. Common sense has to come into the equation somewhere.
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Old 11-08-2014, 11:25 PM   #14
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I'm fairly certain that the Greyhawk's roof is wood. I saw a YouTube video at some point. Forest River I believe is one of the manufacturers that allow a 7500# tow rating from the Factory.
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Old 11-09-2014, 12:19 PM   #15
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Hi DavidKI

If you're anywhere close to Middlebury Indiana, go take the factory tour, and talk to the folks at Jayco. We've been there 3 times now with 2 different Jayco units, to get minor work done. We COULD have taken it to the dealer, but they would have had it several months, because they are very busy, and because they have to wait for parts.

At the factory, they have the parts, tools and expertise do to the work fast and right. We make the 7 hour drive, and spend 4 or 5 days playing tourist in the area. All manufacturers have issues with their products, but the difference is how they treat you, and how they handle those issues that sets one company apart from another.

They always treat us right at Jayco, and while the unit is there, they fix or adjust other items that need to be taken care of, that we didn't even know about.

There is a bunch of stuff to see and do in the area, like the largest (Amish) restaurant in the state, the camping museum, one of the largest flea markets in the US, water powered grist mills, etc.

It's a great experience, and the folks at the factory are friendly and easy to talk to. They have tour from the visitors center to see how the towables are made, and a by appointment tour of the motor coach assembly areas.

Check it out, if you get a chance.
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I think our Forester had a 5k rating on the hitch, but it wasn't an issue since our toad was a feather weight Honda Fit. Some were modifying and beefing the whole deal up, but everybody has their own comfort level in doing that. Off the record, a factory rep did say more could be towed, and a lot were doing so, but FR wouldn't endorse it. As always, liability.
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Old 11-09-2014, 07:59 PM   #17
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One possible issue that I have not seen addressed (unless I missed it) is tongue weight. On a loaded horse trailer, what is the tongue weight? I do not tow these trailers myself, but logically if you have that much weight in animals it would cause a fair amount of tongue weight and may be over the limit. Just a thought.

Oh, and on another note. It wasn't that many years ago that FR was a brand not associated with quality or longevity. The fact that they and Jayco are being discussed in the same post on a comparable level means (to me) that either FR's level has come way up, or Jayco's has gone down. Just an observation, and it's worth what you paid for it
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Maybe they met in the middle. Not sure. I wasn't enthused with either, but had to pick one like flipping a coin. Both have had their share of issues for sure.
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Old 11-09-2014, 08:16 PM   #19
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What about a smaller Class A? My parents just got a Winnebago Brave that is based on the Ford F 53 chassis. It has just one slide, a ton of room for the size (only 29-30 feet!), and good power, because it uses the uprated V10 at 362 horsepower. He drives school bus, and wanted a bigger chassis for distance trips. It seems something like this might fit your bill as well. I don't advocate any brand, that is just what they got and I was impressed at what they got in the size they got. They moved from a class C and are liking the ride on this one better. Don't mean to confuse the issue though (well, not too much ). Oh yeah, and the price was very competitive.
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The Logans, I sure wish we were closer up to the "RV Capital of Manufactures" LOL, but right now it is a bit of a drive and we have quite a bit scheduled before now and the end of the year but I love factory tours... so that is something to keep in mind... I have been through a variety of auto manufacturers including the Porsche factory in Germany :-)

I do not want a hitch that is not certified for the weight by the manufacturer and I would never take a chance pulling or using a higher weight .... In the past, every Class C I had seen has been 5k or below, it was not until I went to look at the Greyhawk and Forester in the last couple of weeks that the 7500 issue even came up. If you go to either of teh fR website you can pull down the 2014 brochures, look under the Ford chassis and you will see the weights stated there.

The comment about the Horse Trailer is a great comment, I'm going to have to check it out.. but I'm pretty sure it has a unloaded weight of about 3300 lbs and a 500 lb tongue weight. So, I'm good there. It is too bad you can't order the built in brake controller on the Ford like you can when you order a truck that would make things a bit easier.
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I have not seen a Greyhawk in a year or so, our local dealer only has the Redhawk The only Greyhawks in the area are used ones. (another reason for the internet buy options)

djtho1, your question is a valid one and thanks for bringing it up... we have looked at quite a few of the Class A MH's and they all have a 5K or less rating. That new Brave does look quite spiffy though :-)

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