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Old 02-16-2015, 09:13 AM   #11
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Why not use one on the post? If you ever saw a picture of what happens when they take a hard hit you wouldn't want it inside your unit.
Geez Grumpy, never even thought of that. Wish I had found that out in my research before purchasing. Mine is already installed and thought we were doing what is best for the unit. Now I'm not so sure. So far, it has worked flawlessly.
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Old 02-17-2015, 12:13 AM   #12
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Well Grumpy. The comments following yours certainly got me thinking about it! If I can prevent that kind of damage by putting it on the pedestal, then I guess I'm all in for that. If it wasn't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all.....if it's going to happen, it will probably be to my trailer.
So I'll be proactive and not install it inside. Any special way to secure to pedestal or just use a cable? Thanks all for your valued input. You have helped me again. What a bunch!!
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Old 02-17-2015, 02:26 PM   #13
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Any special way to secure to pedestal or just use a cable?
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If the CG has the newer elec pedestals just close the lid and lock it. Usually a place for a pad lock on one side or the other. If not then a short piece of chain usually works.
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Old 02-17-2015, 03:09 PM   #14
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I believe the Progressive pedestal versions have the same protection as the hardwired versions but other brands do not offer under/over voltage brands in their pedestal versions. I have experienced under voltage at a CG and luckily my Progressive shut the power off.
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Old 02-17-2015, 04:44 PM   #15
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they do make a cover with a lock capability which is used where the protector and your rig plug together. So it can not be detached from your rigs plug without unlocking or physically breaking the cover.. I have used one for years and even though we are hooked up for months and often gone for several days at a time have never had an issue. The locking cover is not fool proof but a lock only keeps honest people honest, the crooks will always get in if they want to bad enough.
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Old 02-17-2015, 04:48 PM   #16
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With regards to Grumpy's and Silverark's reason (ie, lightning strikes) for selecting a portable/pedestal EMS over a hardwire installed EMS and follow-up comments:

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Geez Grumpy, never even thought of that. Wish I had found that out in my research before purchasing. Mine is already installed and thought we were doing what is best for the unit. Now I'm not so sure.
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So I'll be proactive and not install it inside.
With all due respect, I would not use the lightning strike story(ies) as the primary reason for making such a decision. IMHO, you're more likely to win the powerball lottery than actually experiencing a direct lightning strike. I'm not saying it can't ever happen, but the odds are very, very low (and if it did, sure, it would be best if the EMS was outside the RV). I believe that there are more, every-day, pressing issues to consider.

One issue (which has been mentioned) pertains to theft. Although there are means of locking the EMS at the pedestal, if somebody wants it bad enough, they're gonna take it. Another issue is leaving/forgetting it at the site upon departure (ie, just another item to add to your departure check-list). You'll have another piece of equipment to store and move around. Then of course are the outside elements -- weather and pedestal box heights. And finally, another issue is your DIY comfort zone. If the word "electricity" in and of itself does not scare you and you have a little "DIYer" in you, then these types of projects can be great learning opportunities, not to mention the self-satisfaction you'll feel upon the completion of project (on a 1-10 scale, this is a 2 ... at the most a 3). On the other hand, if electrical connections aren't for you, then the portable/pedestal option may be best for you. Bottomline: If you want to add lightning strikes as an issue, fine, but I'd put it at the bottom of your list.

For those who have a hardwire, installed EMS or are considering the same, no worries. In fact, I would recommend the hardwire installed EMS over the portable/pedestal EMS so as to avoid the foregoing issues. I also like fact that one can monitor the electrical system from inside the TT.

See the following forum links for more info:

EMS Hardwire Install
https://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/f30/ems-hardwire-install-6896.html

Voltage Regulators
https://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/ar...hp/t-2367.html

surge protectors
https://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/ar...p/t-11636.html

surge protector
https://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/ar...hp/t-3962.html

Either way, an EMS is an excellent mod for your TT. If you decide to do a hardwire install and have questions, many on this forum can provide excellent insight and assistance. Good Luck and Happy Trails.
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Old 02-17-2015, 05:53 PM   #17
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WIBadger - Thanks. total agree with this post.
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I use a length of chain and lock that I hook to the lock bracket on the EMS and wrap it completely around the pedestal as tight as I can get it and then close the pedestal door down over it. Since it is tight around the pedestal it can't be slipped up and off since the pedestal door is in the way. Sure, the metal tab on the EMS cord could be cut and so could the lock or chain for that matter, but if a thief wants it bad enough to do that - so be it. I'll get another one.

My EMS-PT50C has exactly the same protections as the hard wired version. I have been shut down due to both high and low voltage more than once. Great piece of mind for me and worth every $.
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Count me as one who left a surge protector behind at a campground.

I read the stories about lightening strikes, but I still installed an internal surge protector. With either internal or external, you are going to need a new one after a lightening strike. The manual says to unplug during a lightening storm ... My guess is they all say that.

The surge protectors protect from much more than just surges. I think the surge protection aspect may be the cheapest parts of the system. That said, I would like to buy an inexpensive "surge-only" protector to put on the pedestal. It would act as the first line of defense for a lightening strike, but it would be cheap enough to not be a concern for losing, getting stolen, or getting destroyed by lightening.

Does such a "surge-only" product exist?
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Count me as one who left a surge protector behind at a campground.

I read the stories about lightening strikes, but I still installed an internal surge protector. With either internal or external, you are going to need a new one after a lightening strike. The manual says to unplug during a lightening storm ... My guess is they all say that.

The surge protectors protect from much more than just surges. I think the surge protection aspect may be the cheapest parts of the system. That said, I would like to buy an inexpensive "surge-only" protector to put on the pedestal. It would act as the first line of defense for a lightening strike, but it would be cheap enough to not be a concern for losing, getting stolen, or getting destroyed by lightening.

Does such a "surge-only" product exist?
Yes, you can get a basic surge protector. In fact, if you're worried about the above situation where your power cord is vulnerable, and your internally mounted EMS might melt down in a large surge, I recommend adding one of these right at the pedestal.
http://tweetys.com/30-amp---portable...ty-tester.aspx
or.....
http://www.progressiveindustries.net/ssp_50.htm
Eighty bucks for piece of mind. It has only surge protection, but the same degree of protection against surge as the EMS. Your internal EMS would provide all the other protection which you bought it for.
Here is another brand
http://www.trci.net/products/surge-g...urge-protector
or.....
http://www.trci.net/products/surge-g...urge-protector
Note: having both this device and the internal EMS is not any problem at all. You CAN have both.
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