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Old 02-04-2015, 07:51 AM   #11
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Welcome, I am a fifth wheel man so I will just read and look forward to hearing how you like what you end up buying. Sounds like the truck may limit what you can drag.
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Old 02-04-2015, 10:58 AM   #12
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Welcome to the forum Spud!
I say this frequently: The CAT Scale is your friend.
Gas up the truck, load the entire tribe and hit the scale. The actual axle weights vs. the GAWR will let you know how much weight you can put on the truck.
For our F350:

Yellow sticker:
Front GAWR 5000#
Rear GAWR 6730#

From the CAT Scale:
Front Axle 4580#
Rear Axle 3360#

So I can add 3370# to the rear axle before overloading. Let's say I pick a TT that has GVWR of 9000#. Loaded to the max (assuming worst case) I would expect the tongue weight to be around 1350# (15%).

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Old 02-04-2015, 01:39 PM   #13
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Hi from a fellow newbie. We just placed an order for a Jay Flight 28BHBE. I need to warn you I have researched till I'm blue in the face and am worried I'm flirting with the line weight and payload wise and we are towing with a Toyota Tundra 5.7 4x4 HD tow package. Tow capacity on our truck is 10,500 and I believe our payload is a decent chuck higher than yours as well. So I'd really look at the numbers because if I'm pushing it from all I hear at the rates on our truck I think you might really be pushing it. Best of luck I know it is confusing.
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Old 02-04-2015, 01:54 PM   #14
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Hi from a fellow newbie. We just placed an order for a Jay Flight 28BHBE. I need to warn you I have researched till I'm blue in the face and am worried I'm flirting with the line weight and payload wise and we are towing with a Toyota Tundra 5.7 4x4 HD tow package. Tow capacity on our truck is 10,500 and I believe our payload is a decent chuck higher than yours as well. So I'd really look at the numbers because if I'm pushing it from all I hear at the rates on our truck I think you might really be pushing it. Best of luck I know it is confusing.
I believe you will exceed the Rear GAWR before you reach "tow capacity".
A visit to the CAT Scale will tell you what weight is on the axles and you can estimate what the tongue weight will be.
The Yellow sticker will tell you GAWR front and rear. The CAT Scale will tell you what the axles weigh. Estimate the tongue weight by adding 800-1000# to the dry TT weight and multiply by 0.15 (15%).
If the Rear GAWR is less than the Rear Axle weight plus the estimated tongue weight then you stand a good chance of being overloaded.
The CAT Scale is your friend.
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Old 02-04-2015, 04:44 PM   #15
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I'm impressed with the responses so far cautioning against too heavy and too long. So far no one is suggesting you can haul way more. It's like real life. There's a lot you can do. The important question is: Should you?
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Old 02-05-2015, 07:30 AM   #16
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Another thing to keep in mind while TT shopping, you will add alot of weight to the TT when you load up for camping. Pots, pans, bbq, food, beverages, tools, wheel chocks, sewer hoses, water hoses, bedsheets, pillows, blankets, etc. All add weight. I have 4 kids and love a seperate door for the bathroom. I have used our tub a few times, for our youngest, after a hard day playing in the outdoors.
If you really want the TT with a seperate door for the bathroom I think you may need to upgrade the TV to a 3/4 ton.
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Old 02-05-2015, 09:37 AM   #17
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I believe you will exceed the Rear GAWR before you reach "tow capacity".
A visit to the CAT Scale will tell you what weight is on the axles and you can estimate what the tongue weight will be.
The Yellow sticker will tell you GAWR front and rear. The CAT Scale will tell you what the axles weigh. Estimate the tongue weight by adding 800-1000# to the dry TT weight and multiply by 0.15 (15%).
If the Rear GAWR is less than the Rear Axle weight plus the estimated tongue weight then you stand a good chance of being overloaded.
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+1 This. This right here.

I'm at or slightly above my GVWR on my truck with trailer loaded out for an average trip, but still have some room on the GAWR on the rear axle. My front axle is right about where it is unloaded thanks to WDH.

I always thought it was a bit strange that you can take the GAWR for front and rear and add them together, this number greatly exceeds GVWR for my truck. For mine per the sticker: GAWR FRT = 3650, GAWR RR = 3950, GVWR = 6800. GAWRs added = 7600 > 6800 GVWR.
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Welcome to the forum

Yes the CAT scale is your friend.

Payload figure on your truck seems to be pretty low.

My White Hawk weighs about 6800# fully loaded, with between 900 and 1000# on the tongue. So I am at or about 100# over my GVWR. I am under my GRAWR by about 300#. My total combined actual CAT scale weight is 12800# and GCVWR is 16000#

I would think that you should max out with about 6000# total trailer weight, which would put you in the 6500 GVWR for a trailer.

Check the towing section of the forum for a lot of great information.
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+1 This. This right here.

I'm at or slightly above my GVWR on my truck with trailer loaded out for an average trip, but still have some room on the GAWR on the rear axle. My front axle is right about where it is unloaded thanks to WDH.

I always thought it was a bit strange that you can take the GAWR for front and rear and add them together, this number greatly exceeds GVWR for my truck. For mine per the sticker: GAWR FRT = 3650, GAWR RR = 3950, GVWR = 6800. GAWRs added = 7600 > 6800 GVWR.
With our Tundra is sounds like we will be at the line but ok Looking it up frt GAWR for us is 4000 RR is 4150 and GVWR of 7200. We will be pulling the same rig you do. The limits on our Tundra though are a good chunk higher than what the OP quoted for their truck. So if we are flirting with the line I'm guessing they will be over. I'll know more for us once our new camper comes in and we can hit a scale.
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Old 02-06-2015, 09:41 PM   #20
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Ok...so let me take a stab at this...may be a complete swing and miss on my part.

If payload is the most critical number why so much weighing front and rear axle.
So I weighed at a local scrap yard scale that is certified by state. I did this last week or so and the truck empty with a full tank was 6120#. I did this actually before joining the forum or I would have had them axle weigh it. Yes it is not a CAT scale but I wasn't driving 40 miles since our local one is temp shut down.

Ok so we have a truck sitting at 6120 with a GVWR of 7350 (per yellow tag). Yellow tag also says cargo not to exceed 1321#. Is the cargo not payload?

OK so here goes...
If 7350 GVWR minus actual weight of 6120 equals 1230...isnt this my actual payload?

1230# minus my family's weight and I'm estimating to be 600# (family of 5 and is probably gonna be close enough for this scenario) that leaves me with 630#. A hitch I found out today weighs 103 pounds per the manufacturer. So now I'm down to 527.

527 divided by .15 (optimal hitch weight) is 3513......you mean to tell me that an f150 is only capable of towing a loaded trailer of 3513#.

If I did this right.....then I would think a vast majority of half tons is considered overweight

still scratching my head.

If true....
1- I can't even tow the pop up o was thinking bout buying
2- I should have just bought a Taurus. (Joke)
3- need to go camping by myself (never think of leaving my tater tots)



On another note.....put a deposit down on a trailer only to find I was buying a trailer that didn't exist!!!!!!!. Back at it in the morn. Talked about ticked off. Another dealership had the same trailer that I could have been picking up tomorrow
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