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Old 01-11-2023, 02:54 PM   #1
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Towing a 2022 Whitehawk 29BH

I'm trying to determine if a 2019 Chevy Suburban with a towing capacity of 8000 pounds can safely tow the 29BH. The 29BH is 7100 pounds empty with a hitch weight of 800 pounds. These are not my vehicles so don't have access to the sticker on the Suburban. Personally I think the Suburban would be overloaded and run the risk of swaying even with a WDH. Would like to hear what owners of the 29BH might say.
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Personally I think the Suburban would be overloaded and run the risk of swaying even with a WDH.

I don't own the trailer but believe you said it all, right there!

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Old 01-11-2023, 07:01 PM   #3
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I agree with Murff. You answered your own question!
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I had a 2015 YUKON Denali XL and I wouldn’t want to pull a TT anywhere near the published limits. Those numbers are, IMHO, 90% marketing driven. A 2500 is the minimum TV for medium to large sized TTs. There’s a big difference between pulling a heavy power boat and pulling that boat with a 12 foot sail on it.
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snip...... Personally I think the Suburban would be overloaded........snip
I would also agree.

The 29BH has a 8,500lb GVWR and is a 35ft long TT. A 29BH from the factory will approach a 7,400lb UVW (yellow sticker)....., thus 'moderately' loaded (tanks empty) IMO will easily push 8,000lbs. Loaded tongue weight would be in the 1,040lb - 1,200lb range (13% - 15%) with a 8,000lb loaded TT.

I would run the Suburban across a CAT scale under loaded conditions (full fuel, passengers, etc.). Subtract the CAT scale weight from the Suburban's specified GVWR......, the remaining weight is what you have available for the WDH weight and a loaded TT tongue weight.

Just food for thought...

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Thanks for the responses! The deal got cancelled before I could get the responses, lol. Which it turns out it would be overloaded. Thanks again!
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Old 01-17-2023, 10:24 AM   #7
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A 2500 is the minimum TV for medium to large sized TTs.
Here is where I disagree and I know its the every day debate on here. The "new" and modern 1/2 ton trucks can out tow most 3/4 trucks from just 5-6 years ago. The new f150 is at 14000lbs. when ordered correctly for it. I have one and I set it up from the start for bigger towing with the extended frame/bed, airbags, and HD/max tow, and upgraded brakes. I pull a 38foot at 9200 dry (294CKBS)with zero issues, and I tow up and down the CO Rockies, down to NM and other places, not just flat lands.
When I am not hooked up I get a great smooth ride and 20+ mpg., not what you will get in a 250.
So the old "you have to have a 3/4 to full ton truck" just is not 100% the case anymore if you look at them with today's, standards. My Excursion I had was a tank but looking back its only rated for 11K max.

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Here is where I disagree and I know its the every day debate on here. The "new" and modern 1/2 ton trucks can out tow most 3/4 trucks from just 5-6 years ago. The new f150 is at 14000lbs. when ordered correctly for it. I have one and I set it up from the start for bigger towing with the extended frame/bed, airbags, and HD/max tow, and upgraded brakes. I pull a 38foot at 9200 dry (294CKBS)with zero issues, and I tow up and down the CO Rockies, down to NM and other places, not just flat lands.
When I am not hooked up I get a great smooth ride and 20+ mpg., not what you will get in a 250.
So the old "you have to have a 3/4 to full ton truck" just is not 100% the case anymore if you look at them with today's, standards. My Excursion I had was a tank but looking back its only rated for 11K max.

just my 2cents...
I also agree with you. 3/4 Ton Min is BS.. The newer F150's are much better equipped for larger TT's. I bought a 22 F150 Platinum, Max Trailer Pkg, 3.5 Eco, Payload 1700 lbs., 19,000 GCWR for towing with 14000 max.. Pulls my 284BHOK without even trying. I keep the payload on the truck light and I'm using a OX Sway Pro rated at 1,500 lbs. Tongue..

Would it be more ideal with an F250, sure but the new 1/2 Tons are mighty capable.
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I also agree with you. 3/4 Ton Min is BS.. The newer F150's are much better equipped for larger TT's. I bought a 22 F150 Platinum, Max Trailer Pkg, 3.5 Eco, Payload 1700 lbs., 19,000 GCWR for towing with 14000 max.. Pulls my 284BHOK without even trying. I keep the payload on the truck light and I'm using a OX Sway Pro rated at 1,500 lbs. Tongue..

Would it be more ideal with an F250, sure but the new 1/2 Tons are mighty capable.
If you have not yet, I would look at the Power Stop Z36 rotors and pads. only because the stock were giving some of fade in the mountains. it was a HUGE upgrade when I did it.
again, I never had issues until I did a trip to a mountain lake that was massive up/down hills and I had to carry water so I was full loaded.
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If you have not yet, I would look at the Power Stop Z36 rotors and pads. only because the stock were giving some of fade in the mountains. it was a HUGE upgrade when I did it.
again, I never had issues until I did a trip to a mountain lake that was massive up/down hills and I had to carry water so I was full loaded.
Good Call.. I live here in CA and mostly flat lands and we occasionally tow it into the mountains. Last trip up had zero issues but it couldn't hurt.
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First, I believe in being safe. I had a 2019 GMC Sierra 1500 with a tow capacity of 11,000lbs and payload at 1650lbs. I so wanted to tow my Jayco 27RB TT that is 7800lbs total and 1015lbs tongue (Cat Scales) with this smooth riding 1/2 ton truck. Factory advertised number on tongue was 815lbs (haha).

As others have stated no issue with pulling the weight with the 1500 truck, mountains included. But oh boy the porpoising at interstate speed. The interstates here in SC are not the best. White knuckle driving at times not fun or safe.

With my wife and two small grandkids I was right at the payload number for the truck. Truck suspension is challenged when you are that close to the payload. I did change to Load E tires and installed the Roadmaster Active Suspension system. Not enough improvement for me to feel safe. After multiple trips, I now own a 2500HD gas. No porpoising. The heavier truck also helps to prevent the truck from being pushed around due to the smaller weight differential with TT.

Full disclosure. This is my 5th TT. Previous TT was 36 foot, two slides and around 11000lbs. I pulled it with a 2500 Dodge Diesel. Hard to forget how stable this setup was compared to a 1500 maxed out on payload and susceptible to porpoising and being pushed around.
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First, I believe in being safe. I had a 2019 GMC Sierra 1500 with a tow capacity of 11,000lbs and payload at 1650lbs. I so wanted to tow my Jayco 27RB TT that is 7800lbs total and 1015lbs tongue (Cat Scales) with this smooth riding 1/2 ton truck. Factory advertised number on tongue was 815lbs (haha).

As others have stated no issue with pulling the weight with the 1500 truck, mountains included. But oh boy the porpoising at interstate speed. The interstates here in SC are not the best. White knuckle driving at times not fun or safe.

With my wife and two small grandkids I was right at the payload number for the truck. Truck suspension is challenged when you are that close to the payload. I did change to Load E tires and installed the Roadmaster Active Suspension system. Not enough improvement for me to feel safe. After multiple trips, I now own a 2500HD gas. No porpoising. The heavier truck also helps to prevent the truck from being pushed around due to the smaller weight differential with TT.

Full disclosure. This is my 5th TT. Previous TT was 36 foot, two slides and around 11000lbs. I pulled it with a 2500 Dodge Diesel. Hard to forget how stable this setup was compared to a 1500 maxed out on payload and susceptible to porpoising and being pushed around.
I don't get a ton of Porposing with my WDH setup, it happens here and there, the payload is 1780lbs on the truck and we put all items in the middle bay of the trailer. Last Weigh it was around 8700lbs loaded with 1020 tongue weight. Tow Max is 14000 lbs With all of us in there and minimal gear it came out to 1620 payload. Well under the limits on both ends.

I get upgrading to a F250 etc is always going to be better always for bigger weights, I haven't really had enough of an issue to even consider it. Trailer rides smooth as butter, doesnt sway a ton and ive towed it in windy, mountains, flats, bumpy and it hasnt really blinked. If I lived up in Colorado or was in the mountains 24/7 I probably would get a bigger truck, but for the 90% flat lands here in CA, this truck does great!
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I have a Yukon XL Denali with the 6.2 liter engine. It has an 8,000 lb. towing capacity. It pulls my 26 RK at 7,400 lbs. just fine. But… I live in the relatively flat Midwest and we are just casual weekenders. Our farthest trips are only a couple of hundred miles. I have no trouble stopping or with sway. Nevertheless, I know it’s not the best tow vehicle for that much weight. If I were taking longer trips or pulling over different terrain, I’d need a different vehicle. I’ll probably fix that when it’s time for the Yukon to go.
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I've towed with 1500, 2500 and 3500. Major difference in the 1500 vs 2500/3500. First, it's not all about weight capability as everyone likes to think. Sure, todays 1500s can pull as much or more than HD diesels of 15-20 years ago. Getting things moving isn't an issue anymore. Now, the real issue is control and stopping. A 1500 has no where near the control or stopping ability (regardless of trailer brakes) as an HD truck does. Ride comfort is entirely subjective, though everyone knows that an HD truck will be a much more comfortable and stable ride when towing.
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I've towed with 1500, 2500 and 3500. Major difference in the 1500 vs 2500/3500. First, it's not all about weight capability as everyone likes to think. Sure, todays 1500s can pull as much or more than HD diesels of 15-20 years ago. Getting things moving isn't an issue anymore. Now, the real issue is control and stopping. A 1500 has no where near the control or stopping ability (regardless of trailer brakes) as an HD truck does. Ride comfort is entirely subjective, though everyone knows that an HD truck will be a much more comfortable and stable ride when towing.
Would you recommend a set-up like that, the owner gets upgraded brakes for the 1500? Or is that even a thing? No Sierra has no problem with the weight, but the one area I am concerned is wearing out the brake system. Thoughts?
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The interstates here in SC are not the best.
Totally agree. I do not look forward to the SC portion of I95 (aka I95 parking lot) when pulling down to Florida.
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Would you recommend a set-up like that, the owner gets upgraded brakes for the 1500? Or is that even a thing? No Sierra has no problem with the weight, but the one area I am concerned is wearing out the brake system. Thoughts?
The stock brakes on the truck are fine, provided that you've got the trailer brakes dialed in. Basically, you should feel the trailer helping slow you down and stop. Sort of like a gentle "tug", if you will. The lighter trucks get pushed around quite a bit more than the HDs. If I'd never towed with anything but a 1500, I might not know the difference. Having towed with both, I went back to an HD for stability and peace of mind. The 1500 pulled my current TT just fine, but it gives a whole different feel behind the wheel to what I was used to.
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