Numbers, numbers, numbers....

[lanedawg]

Maybe someone on here can help me with the numbers. I own a 2016 F-250 , 6.2 L/ GAS,4-wd, crew cab, SRW Lariat, short bed, with 3.73 rear end. Using a 16K Pullrite slider hitch. I have 20" Toya A/T LT 275 / 65 R20 Steel belted radial tires. Here are the numbers from Ford.
( TRUCK )
GVWR: 10,000
GCWR: 19,000
VEH. CURB WT: 6828
FRONT CURB WT: 3945
REAR CURB WT: 2883
FRONT GAWR: 4800
REAR GAWR: 6100
PAYLOAD: 3100
FRONT AXLE CAP: 6000
REAR AXLE CAP: 6200
TOWING CAP: 12,100

I'm looking at purchasing following: 2018 Jayco Eagle HT 30.5 MBOK/ 5th
wheel trailer.

Specs on this RV:
Unloaded wt: 9635
unloaded pin wt: 1795
GVWR: 11950
Cargo Cap: 2315

additional info: Pullrite hitch at 250#, Humans: ( adults & kids ) 700#
just want to know can I safely tow this particular 5th wheel safely

[Doubleheader]

IMHO, absolutely yes


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[JeremiahM]

Originally Posted by lanedawg

Maybe someone on here can help me with the numbers. I own a 2016 F-250 , 6.2 L/ GAS,4-wd, crew cab, SRW Lariat, short bed, with 3.73 rear end. Using a 16K Pullrite slider hitch. I have 20" Toya A/T LT 275 / 65 R20 Steel belted radial tires. Here are the numbers from Ford.
( TRUCK )
GVWR: 10,000
GCWR: 19,000
VEH. CURB WT: 6828
FRONT CURB WT: 3945
REAR CURB WT: 2883
FRONT GAWR: 4800
REAR GAWR: 6100
PAYLOAD: 3100
FRONT AXLE CAP: 6000
REAR AXLE CAP: 6200
TOWING CAP: 12,100

I'm looking at purchasing following: 2018 Jayco Eagle HT 30.5 MBOK/ 5th
wheel trailer.

Specs on this RV:
Unloaded wt: 9635
unloaded pin wt: 1795
GVWR: 11950
Cargo Cap: 2315

additional info: Pullrite hitch at 250#, Humans: ( adults & kids ) 700#
just want to know can I safely tow this particular 5th wheel safely

Just curious, does your truck have vacuum booster for brakes, or the Hydroboost? I would think if you were gonna be that heavy, you'd definitely want the Hydroboost brakes. I know ford went back to putting them in f250s (for some dumb reason) unless optioned a certain way for a little while, don't know of they still do.

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[lanedawg]

Jeremiah....I really don't know about what type of brakes I have on truck. I'll look in trk manual, might say something there.

[Bucko06]

I will make the following assumptions: you will load the trailer close to the gross weight rating of 12k. You will follow the 20-25% guidelines for king pin weight resulting in 2400 to 3000 lbs of payload over rear axles

With these assumtpions, you are right up against the stated limits of the truck. Your king pin is nearly consuming all of the payload capacity. Any additional items in the back of the truck may put you over. The combined gross weight is close to the limit also.

My conclusion is that you are within the limits of the truck, but pushing the vehicle. Personally, I would not want that situation due to towing and braking performance as well as longevity of the truck. But, I am the same guy trying convince my wife to buy an MDT to pull a 16k 5er. You will find a variety of opinions on this board about towing near the rating of the vehicle.

[lanedawg]

Buck......thanks for reply! Do you think a set of airbags would help ?

[BigJohnD]

Yes and no. Could be done, yes of course if you keep it with bare minimum cargo, empty tanks etc. Would I myself do it, probably not. I've always had the 80% rule that nobody hardly follows. Of course all of the numbers have to jive as well, but I try to stick to towing no more than 80% capacity of the truck. Last fifth wheel hit the scales loaded at 15k. Still well within the limits. I like to have a LOT of room for error.

I also look at mass vs mass, not just weights. To me, the bigger, longer and heavier the tow vehicle, the more comfortable the experience will be, and the better it'll all work together in cross winds and other effects. I've seen too many small trucks overloaded then get thrown around like a rag doll. One of the biggest reason we tow with a truck with big hips, stability.

Not trying to rain on the parade Lane, just sharing the opinion. Hey, I know where a 2013 F-350 diesel dually is, already dolled up. Heck, you may have seen it.

[lanedawg]

Naw..no rain on this parade, John. I thought I would run the numbers out there and get a feel for what others thought. I kind of suspected I would be pushing it pretty tight. I just broke the news to the DW. She asked what are were we going to do. ( smile ) I said guess I'll buy a bigger truck. NOT ! Her excuse and I quote " Oh hell no, you have had two new trucks in three years, and I still have a 10 yr old car I'm having to drive. Guess smaller is better, RV that is. I think I've seen that Dually truck you are talking about real close up. Ha ! As much as I would like one, think cutting back on weight would be a better deal for me. I'll just have to choose another Eagle HT 5th with a little less GVWR. But before I do that, will be walking DW through it. Never know she might change her mind, right ?

[Jarnae]

2016 3/4 ton truck pulling a HT Eagle? You shouldn't have any problems at all. I pull my RSTS321 with a 3/4 RAM and I hardly notice it's back there.

[lanedawg]

is your truck a diesel ? How does your Truck compare to mine? Just curious...

[Atlee]

OP said it was a 6.2L gasser.

Originally Posted by lanedawg

is your truck a diesel ? How does your Truck compare to mine? Just curious...

[SouthCo]

Lanedawg is the OP. He was asking poster Jarnae about his setup in comparison...

[garyp4951]

Lanedawg, I think your F250, 6.2, will be a good match for that FW, and there is nothing wrong with adding air bags to level the truck if it needs it.

[lanedawg]

I will do as you say, weigh the truck loaded with -Hitch, passengers, full fuel and any bags the kids have to have in backseat. Then I can decide what to do on my findings. I have had 50-50 positive & negative on the responses. I thank you again for the detailed explanation on the formula to success. When I know, I'll post the findings. On a side note, the load range for my truck tires state on the sidewall 3750# @ 80 psi. For those concerned about that number. As I understand you would take that number ( 3750# x 2 = 7500# ) which would be the max weight that you could put on the rear axle ?

[citgodan]

I have a 2015 F250 supercrew 6.2L, 4x4 and tow a 2017 Eagle HT 27.5 rlts and always have a bed full (level) of firewood with me when I camp. We don't use the water tank on the 5th. I am pretty level, just me and my wife and the trucks gets the job done just fine.

No issues at all, and I beleive my payload on the door is 3317#.

[Dustdevil]

Originally Posted by lanedawg

I will do as you say, weigh the truck loaded with -Hitch, passengers, full fuel and any bags the kids have to have in backseat. Then I can decide what to do on my findings. I have had 50-50 positive & negative on the responses. I thank you again for the detailed explanation on the formula to success. When I know, I'll post the findings. On a side note, the load range for my truck tires state on the sidewall 3750# @ 80 psi. For those concerned about that number. As I understand you would take that number ( 3750# x 2 = 7500# ) which would be the max weight that you could put on the rear axle ?

Well, as far as what the tires will max out at. But your original specs indicate a max load on the rear axle at 6200 lbs as I recall.

[bryyce62]

Originally Posted by citgodan

I have a 2015 F250 supercrew 6.2L, 4x4 and tow a 2017 Eagle HT 27.5 rlts and always have a bed full (level) of firewood with me when I camp. We don't use the water tank on the 5th. I am pretty level, just me and my wife and the trucks gets the job done just fine.

No issues at all, and I beleive my payload on the door is 3317#.

I run the same truck/trailer and have no problems either. None.

[Nukeneck]

Wait, that's a Jayco HT 5er? You can pull that with a half ton truck! (Sorry, I had to)

[lanedawg]

Dustdevil....your right about that, but I have gotten so confused about the way you calculate what your TV will pull. I guess I opened a can of worms here, but the dealer says one thing, the ford specs say something else, then I can't seem to come up with numbers that are solid. My main concern is safety for my family. Maybe after I weigh the truck with everything I'm going to have in it as I stated earlier I can post again an see if you guys can determine if in fact this combination will do the job. I really appreciate everyone's opinion and this is one of the best forums that exist online that I have found. Just trying to do the right thing BEFORE I pull the trigger and spend over $40,000.00 on something that I can't safely pull with family. Thanks again everyone !!

[Doubleheader]

I'll just say this, when you run your numbers, if you're a couple hundred over on your payload on a newer 3/4 ton it's no big deal. GVWR on a 3/4 ton is somewhat of a fictitious number. Do your due diligence and I think in the end you'll agree.


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