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Old 05-27-2013, 08:06 PM   #1
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13 ram 1500 and looking at white hawk 28dsbh

Hello,

I recently purchased a 2013 ram laramie 1500 4x4 and the wife and think the whitehawk 28dsbh is the perfect fit for us and our 2 and 5 year old sons. I thought we had plenty of room (weight wise) but now I am not so sure??

The build data for our truck model shows a gcvw of 14000, max payload of 1272, max tt weight of 8450. claimed dr weight of the jayco is 5290 with dry tongue weight of 590 and gvw of 7500. i read an article in trailer life or somewhere that recommended reducing the max tt by 10% to start with...That would be about 7605. then take another 890lbs or so for wd hitch, food, supplies, propane, water etc. that gets me to a dry tt weight of 6715 max....well under the claimed dry weight of the 28dsbh.....

i think i am good with trailer weight(?????), but am concerned with tongue weight and payload weight...me, wife, and 2 kids are about 450lbs give or take. Do I add the tongue weight to that to make sure I am not over payload? If so, I would be close without anything in the bed of the truck....I am guessing the true tongue weight when equipped to hit the road would be closer to 700??? This is what has me concerned... I really don't want anything longer, and the floor plan is just what we are looking for, but before we go any further need to see if I am thinking this out correctly.

Also we live in Virginia so we will not be crossing the Rockies,but there are mountains here, so we would certainly not be towing across flat land. Ay input you can lend is greatly appreciated!
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first thing to do is to take your TV to a CAT scale and see what it weighs with you, your wife, and your normal load of "stuff," plus a full tank of gas. Once you have that, subtract the CAT weight from your GVWR weight, likely on a sticker on the inside of your TV driver door. IF you're like me, you'll be unpleasantly surprised to find your TV curb weight is surprisingly close to the GVWR. (In my case, 7000 lbs for a Chevy Silverado.) In my case, I'm in the process of upgrading our TV from a 1/2 ton to a 3/4 ton, to be well within safe towing limits. You may find yourself in the same position. Food for thought. See this thread:

https://www.jaycoowners.com/showthrea...itehawk!/page3
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Old 05-27-2013, 08:22 PM   #3
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13 ram 1500 and looking at white hawk 28dsbh

My parents tow a much heavier 26rls with their 2013 Big Horn. It's really only the two of them when towing with little things like folding chairs and rugs in the truck bed. I've driven it and it felt great.

My brother tows a 28dsbh with a 2010 Tundra and loves it.
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Old 05-28-2013, 06:51 AM   #4
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well, I suppose a trip to a cat scale is in order with the truck. I guess I should have thought this out a little better...as I honestly didnt realize the limited payload capacity of most 1/2 ton trucks. Ive only had the Ram for 2 1/2 months now...momma wouldn't like me trading it in on a F250 diesel already....I dont think I would like the finances of that as well!

So does the tongue weight need to be included in the payload? I am guessing so...but how do I calculate the tongue weight if using a WD hitch?? (before you actually buy the trailer and get it installed, etc...I realize I can take it to a scale after purchase and setup, but that doesnt help me right now). Is there a rule of thumb? Say the trailer loaded up is 7000 lbs.....13-15% of that is 910-1050lbs...is there a rule of thumb where the actual tongue weight would be less with a WD hitch (like 20% less, 30% less, etc)?
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Re: 13 ram 1500 and looking at white hawk 28dsbh

The tongue weight as well as the weight of the ball and receiver is subtracted from ur payload. B sure to visit a cat scale to set up according. I found my biggest challenge was with keeping my rear axle weight legal. A bit of adjusting and shuffling did the trick. Lol. Im not sure what ur truck weights but my f150 supercrew full of gas with me in it weights 6140 pounds. I would weight ur truck full of gas to see where u r in terms if ur truck weight. Remember u will load ur truck with stuff so factor that. The wd hitch just dustributes the weight between the front and rear axles. If ur water tanks r behind ur axles u can fill them partially or fully which will reduce ur hitch weight as long as ur tow or combined weight isn't exceded. B sure to know ur front and rear axle weights and stay within them.
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You do not need to add fuel weight as Ram says truck and all fluids. You need driver passengers and all cargo and after market add ons which includes hitch bars and tongue weight. One thing you might want to consider is the expense of switching over to LT tires. Your p rated tires do have the capacity to legally carry your load, but the stiffer sidewall design of LT's will make for a more stable ride once you get onto curvey, rough mountain roads. Yeah I know that 1000 bucks is a big hit but they will perform much better.
Rams are notorious for soft suspension and many owners will add airbags or adjustable shocks to stiffen the rear end. They will not add any legal capacity to your truck but they do help stabilize every thing.
What you want to do is doable,but is close to the limits. Travel with minimum water in the tanks, maybe 5 or 6 gallons, just enough for bathroom use. You can tweek your tongue weight by moving trailer cargo either fore or aft of the axles. with those numbers I am assuming you have the 5.7, a pulling beast, but in the short steep hills that you are in expect an average of 6 to 8 miles per gallon
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Re: 13 ram 1500 and looking at white hawk 28dsbh

Fuel may b included in ram payload specs but a full tank will have an effect on ur combined total weight of truck and trailer.
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Hey I have a F150 2010 Lariat and had just purchased a 28DSBH and tows no problem. I also have a eq hitch. Good luck.
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The base "Curb Weight" on most vehicles includes the weight of the "base model" truck in question, 150lb driver, and all fluids including a full tank of fuel.

It should be noted that some of a vehicle's specified Weight Limits are based on it's "Curb Weight" (ie; Tow Ratings). https://www.jaycoowners.com/showthrea...uot-Tow-Rating

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snip..... Also we live in Virginia so we will not be crossing the Rockies,but there are mountains here, so we would certainly not be towing across flat land. Ay input you can lend is greatly appreciated!
Unfortunately a 1/2 ton TV may have an attractive specified GCWR or Tow Rating, but where many fall short is in Payload Capacity, especially as loaded HTT or TT weights start getting on the heavy side. This isn't to say that your proposed TV/TT combination isn't doable, but a little do diligence (as you are doing) may help in your TT selection.

I agree with 'mikmurphy', you already have the TV and thus a brief visit to a CAT scale will eliminate a lot of the guess work. The CAT scale certificate will provide you with the "Gross Weight" of your TV under loaded (or simulated loaded) conditions.., and as mentioned in prior posts subtracting the CAT scale gross weight from your TV's GVWR will tell you how much remaining weight you have for the TT's loaded tongue weight, WDH weight, and any other weight not accounted for at the CAT scale.

The White Hawk 28DSBH is 32 feet long, so 13% to 15% of the loaded TT weight would be the recommended loaded tongue weight for enhanced TV handling. RV and WDH manufactures recommend a 10% to 15% loaded tongue weight range.

Example of a "loaded" White Hawk 28DSBH: (UVW 5,290lbs) + (Ship Weight delta 400lbs) + (RV Dealer; Battery, WDH, etc. 125lbs) + (TT Cargo 700lbs) = 6,515lbs Loaded TT Weight. Loaded Tongue Weight = 846lbs to 977lbs (13% to 15%). Depending on your personal loading habits weights may vary.

A little more JOF info on towing the 28DSBH: https://www.jaycoowners.com/showthrea...k-28DSBH/page4

Hope this helps.

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