2006 F150 and 2018 Whitehawk 29BH?

[bono]

And how do you know that he will be over payload? Not everybody is taking the whole house to the campground. Every situation is different. 1,600 lbs payload is a lot. I admit, you need to be carefuller with loading the trailer, nothing in the tow vehicle and it is totally doable to be withing the numbers.

The published TW of my trailer is 680 lbs. With Propride ready for camping is around 850 lbs. All the heavy stuff goes over the axles, I do not have the battery on the tongue... Again, each situation is different.

EDIT: OP amended payload figure, which is still impressive 1530

[goducks]

Originally Posted by Uh Oh Better Get Jayco

Here are all the numbers below buddy. Its every number I can think of that you should need to do some calculating yourself. If you need any other numbers let me know and I'll try and find them for you. Let me know what numbers you say I'm spinning also. I def don't wanna spin. I'm open minded. Learn me something boss. Thanks

Truck specs off stickers in door.
GVWR 7200#
Front GAWR 3750#
Rear GAWR 3850#
Payload 1529#



TT tongue+730#
Propane + 40#
Battery + 65#
Hitch. +100#
Wife. +125#
Kid. + 70#
Kid. + 60#
Kid. + 50#
Me. +200#
______________
Total. 1440#
Minus. - 150# (Ford allows 150# driver and full tank of gas)
_______________
Total. 1290# Payload

After further investigation my truck has a 1529# Payload Capacity.

TV Payload 1529#
Minus. 1290#
________________
Payload left 239#

I'm sticking by my assertions. Go way your truck and come back and show us the CAT scale ticket. I've been reading RV forums for years and this scenario plays out monthly. I can guarantee that if you load the family up and take your truck to the scales without the TT, that you'll find that you don't have the payload you think you do.

BTW did the dealer actually weigh the tongue? Probably not. The 730 is a brochure weight. Brochure weights are never right.

[Uh Oh Better Get Jayco]

Originally Posted by goducks

I'm sticking by my assertions. Go way your truck and come back and show us the CAT scale ticket. I've been reading RV forums for years and this scenario plays out monthly. I can guarantee that if you load the family up and take your truck to the scales without the TT, that you'll find that you don't have the payload you think you do.

Wow you sure schooled me there. Thanks for the personal assertions from your years of RV forum reading. Opinion duly noted kind sir.

[whjake]

Uh Oh Better Get Jayco. if seems like you have young kids. Are they in car seats. You need to add that also. Is there anything else in the bed. Coolers? Bikes? wood for leveling?


I did the samething you are doing when I got my 2016 28DSBH. I at the time had a 2016 f150. It towed it OK. The longest trip I made with was 450 miles one way. Just as long as i stayed under 68-70 I was fine. (which I did most of the time) after that speed the trailer would start to move around.

Last year I traded in the 150 to replace my other truck (plow truck) and got a 2500 (2 for 1 type thing). That was night and day difference in towing. I really didn't notice how stressed I was towing the 28DSBH till I had it behind the 2500. The 150 had capacity to spear but (I believe) it wasnt a good towing truck. But I wouldn't have known that till I got the bigger truck. good luck and enjoy.

[Uh Oh Better Get Jayco]

Originally Posted by whjake

Uh Oh Better Get Jayco. if seems like you have young kids. Are they in car seats. You need to add that also. Is there anything else in the bed. Coolers? Bikes? wood for leveling?


I did the samething you are doing when I got my 2016 28DSBH. I at the time had a 2016 f150. It towed it OK. The longest trip I made with was 450 miles one way. Just as long as i stayed under 68-70 I was fine. (which I did most of the time) after that speed the trailer would start to move around.

Last year I traded in the 150 to replace my other truck (plow truck) and got a 2500 (2 for 1 type thing). That was night and day difference in towing. I really didn't notice how stressed I was towing the 28DSBH till I had it behind the 2500. The 150 had capacity to spear but (I believe) it wasnt a good towing truck. But I wouldn't have known that till I got the bigger truck. good luck and enjoy.

Awesome input! Thanks. No car seats and there will be zero zilch in the bed. I'll make sure there is nothing in the truck but people, snacks and electronics. Not sure if you pulled with a Hensley style hitch or not but I will also have one of those. Sway won't be an issue. I may upgrade trucks in the future but it will be years off.

[goducks]

Ron White is my hero.

[Murff]

I have been reading this thread and find all of the opinions of interest. I towed a 32 foot Komfort with a 2007 F150 for a short period and due to that, I would not tow a 29BH with an '06 F150.

In addition, with these figures from the Jayco we site on the 29BH;

WEIGHTS
Unloaded Vehicle Weight (lbs) View Definition 6820
Dry Hitch Weight (lbs) View Definition 730
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (lbs) View Definition 8500
Cargo Carrying Capacity (lbs) View Definition 1680

For kicks and grins, let's put 15% of the trailer unloaded weight out there. That is 1020 pounds. If the trailer is loaded to the max of 8500 pounds, the tongue weight would be 1275 pounds.

The WDH moves some weight from the rear axle of the F150 to the trailer and to the truck front axle but it still comes down to the F150's gross weight capacity.

I also felt the 5.4 engine with 4-speed automatic a less than stellar trailer hauler. Lastly, the fact the 29BH is nearly 35 feet long scares the s*** out of me if towed with a half-ton truck.

As stated, load the truck as you would to go camping and get it weighed. Then be realistic and assume a tongue weight of 900 pounds (humor me) and see where the numbers land.

Murff

[goducks]

Basically the OP has a hypothetical extra weight of 239 lbs. So he can only put 239 lbs of weight in front of the TT axles before he reaches the limit. All of this numbers game is pure speculation with no room for error.
I know clothes don't weigh a lot but where are they going. What about extra shoes? Food? Pots and pans? Dish cloths? Utensils? BBQ? Cook stove? Etc.
I'm not sure if this is the OP's 1st rodeo or not. We were all in the same boat at one time.
It's easy to crunch the numbers and try and make it work on paper. But I found that once out on the road things were different. I went from a maxed out F150 to a 2500. Besides the better towing part, the best part was I didn't have to leave my wife's box of Kleenex home cause it would've put me over the RAWR and GVWR.

[bono]

Better to be over weight with Propride, then below weight specs without one.

[goducks]

Problem with the HA or PP hitches is they add even more weight. I'm sure if you get sued in civil court for failure to stop your overweight vehicle in time, the Judge will throw out the case cause you were overweight using a PP or HA.
Those hitches are everything they say they are. BTDT. But lightweight they are not.

[bono]

Here we go again... "get sued", etc. PP / HA weight more, but they add length as well in comparison to regular WDH. This additional length brings the TW at the end of the stinger lower.

I like to talk about real life examples. I mentioned that my published TW is 680 lbs. TW on the trailer ready for camping WITH ProPride is around 850 lbs (empty tanks - I always tow with empty tanks). It is 170 lbs about published TW where PP weights 180 lbs.

[2edgesword]

Originally Posted by Uh Oh Better Get Jayco

Thanks for all the info guys. Good input. Here’s what I have broken down. My numbers for family weight are all accurate. All numbers for the truck are straight out of the 2006 Ford RV and trailer towing guide. (I will never dry camp or use the fresh water tank. The other tanks will always be emptied before leaving a place.)

TT tongue+730#
Propane + 40#
Battery + 65#
Hitch. +100#
Wife. +125#
Kid. + 70#
Kid. + 60#
Kid. + 50#
Me. +200#
______________
Total. 1440#
Minus. - 150# (Ford allows 150# driver)
_______________
Total. 1290# Payload

After further investigation my truck has a 1529# Payload Capacity.

TV Payload 1529#
Minus. 1290#
________________
Payload left 239#

So, a good W/D hitch should put at least a little of that payload back on the trailer. Couple that with loading most of our 500-700# of camping gear over top or behind the TT axles, I don’t see how we cannot possibly be in a safe zone with this combo???
We will be 239# under Payload and like 1500# under the towing capacity without even factoring the W/D transferring some payload back to the TT. I also don’t mind spending the majority of my driving at 60mph. I think I’m going to buy it guys. Unless someone can dispute my math and logic?

If the truck payload is 1529 lbs and you deduct 730 lbs for the tongue (that's on the conservative side if you figure tongue is 10% ~ 15% of the 7100 trailer weight) that leaves 799 lbs. If you went with 15% of the trailer weight as the tongue weight that's 1065 lbs which only leaves you 464 lbs. Again, this is assuming nothing in the trailer but what came with the trailer plus battery and propane which is never the case.

I think Ford allows driver and full fuel but anything else is part of the payload. I can easily see a family of five having 200 lbs of stuff (camping equipment, cloths, food they bring along, etc.). In my opinion you're borderline for flat ground driving and the truck (2006 that is probably not working at peak proficiency) will be working very hard going up any grade. Keep an eye on engine and transmission temperatures in the summer.

[TWP723]

Just a bit heavy in my opinion. You're heavy, not overweight. May be a white knuckle ride. Just be careful!

[Uh Oh Better Get Jayco]

I currently tow a 2017 Keystone Passport 175BH with a listed tongue weight of 410 and a dry weight of 3600. Add propane, battery, family, pass through stuff, all loaded and an electric golf cart (1100# most of it in the rear of the cart) in the bed and it tows awesome. Literally no exaggeration. That is WAY more payload than what the 29BH setup will be. I’ll never have the golf cart in the bed with the 29BH TT. Just kinda throwing it out there. �� I also used to tow it with the wife’s mini van. The mini van towed ok but it wasn’t awesome.

[SOMBATFAMILY]

just for reference. I tow Jayco 28BHBE behind 2008 Toyota Sequoia with 2 adults and 4 kids and 45# dog. Everything needed for a week of camping in trailer, around 20 gallons of fresh water, 6 bikes on the rear bumper. TW is around 900#. I keep my speed under 70mph. Using Curt true track WDH. Over 4000 miles in two seasons and haven’t had and sway or stoping issues.

[Uh Oh Better Get Jayco]

Originally Posted by SOMBATFAMILY

Attachment 39823 just for reference. I tow Jayco 28BHBE behind 2008 Toyota Sequoia with 2 adults and 4 kids and 45# dog. Everything needed for a week of camping in trailer, around 20 gallons of fresh water, 6 bikes on the rear bumper. TW is around 900#. I keep my speed under 70mph. Using Curt true track WDH. Over 4000 miles in two seasons and haven’t had and sway or stoping issues.

That is great SOMBATFAMILY. Thanks for the real world numbers and feedback. Making it happen like a boss. I’ve always liked Sequoia‘s.

[klpoppe]

It is not just weight... Keep in mind a 29foot trailer is alot bigger sail vs your current 17 foot trailer. I have a feeling crosswinds are going to toss you like a rag doll.. I have a 2015 F150 with 1800lbs payload and equlizer hitch 10k... Max tow.. Built in anti-sway.. all the other stuff to make me feel good. I am towing a 264bh which is significantly less weight than what you are looking at. While I am generally comfortable towing with my set up, I would be very hesitant to go with a much larger/heavier camper without also considering upgrading my truck. While your set up looks good on paper, I think your experiece will be different. I personally would not risk my and my family's safety (and others on the road) towing something because "my truck will tow it". This is my experience and opinion. If you decide to go with this set up, I hope it works out well for you and you enjoy it! Be safe...

[bono]

OP will be towing larger trailer than 29 ft. But he is going to do this with Propride. Sway will not be an issue.

[Murff]

Originally Posted by klpoppe

It is not just weight... Keep in mind a 29foot trailer is alot bigger sail vs your current 17 foot trailer. *snip*..

A 29BH is 34 foot 7 inches.

Murff

[Uh Oh Better Get Jayco]

Originally Posted by Murff

A 29BH is 34 foot 7 inches.

Murff

Murff is correct klpoppe.
I’ve towed ridiculous payloads with my truck a lot. See my pic and post above for one example. I have towed even more ridiculous weight with my truck. For instance a 3500# car trailer with a 3/4 ton truck on it,on the highway for a couple hundred miles. I towed many combos of both. I also grew up on a farm where towing is almost daily life. On the sail part you are correct, and it is twice the size of my current sail. But as bono stated I will be towing with a PP. Not just anyone’s PP, my own PP. I specifically bought my PP to eliminate this one unknown factor. Yes I said eliminate, matter of fact guaranteed is the word they use. And everyone who has used a PP like mine agrees that it does just that. I’m not scared of sway because I will be properly armed to combat it. Never show up to a gun fight with a knife. I’ll show everyone pictures of my PP when I get the setup ready. My truck with the 29BH will be one of the safest set of numbers I’ve ran really. And I believe one of the safest in reality too. Don’t worry I’ll be giving feedback. By the way klpoppe I see your a fellow buckeye O-H!!!