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Old 07-29-2014, 03:05 PM   #11
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If you're only going to b e carrying 2 bikes and have a ladder attached to the back of your trailer, Swagman makes a nice, sturdy ladder bike rack that fits over the top rungs of the ladder and secures to the ladder via ratchet straps. We have one and it does a phenomenal job of holding our bikes nice & tight without any wobble or bounce! here's a link:

http://www.campingworld.com/shopping...ike-rack/65241
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Old 07-29-2014, 04:43 PM   #12
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Camper Bob! We only wish that we had someone like you in our family. Wow! Thanks for all the info.

We have had some other responses and we are currently at:

No Bike Rack - they go inside the TT
CAT Scale is first stop - we have all the instructions
Upgrade to the larger AC - if weight allows it
Forget the heated mattress pads for now
Simple lock-up method
(2) 25' white water hoses
No Boondocking until we learn a lot more - )now I don't need to know so much about the 12V system)

Still wondering about the type of hitch and how best to stabilize (other than weighing and redistributing weight).
You're quite welcome! I was a not so long ago, and I still consider myself pretty new to this whole thing, I only bought my trailer last September. But I'm a nut about researching this stuff, DW uses the word "obsessed", I prefer "passionate"!

But please take what I said with a grain of salt. I do not have any experience with your specific unit, or hybrids for that matter, so whatever I said may or may not apply to you or be accurate in any way!
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Old 07-29-2014, 05:05 PM   #13
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Since I have never been rv'ing, I did not know this.

That bit about choosing between and ocean or bay site sounds lovely. I am just hoping to make it out of the dealership parking lot and into the closest CAT scale. This is a big move up from backpacking and tenting. We didn't need a torque wrench for that.

Thanks for the reply.
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Old 07-30-2014, 09:58 PM   #14
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Since I have never been rv'ing, I did not know this.

That bit about choosing between and ocean or bay site sounds lovely. I am just hoping to make it out of the dealership parking lot and into the closest CAT scale. This is a big move up from backpacking and tenting. We didn't need a torque wrench for that.

Thanks for the reply.
I think you are going to find that your TV is going to be completely inadequate for towing the X23B, especially if you take the rig over mountains. The GVWR of the trailer and the maximum tow capacity of the MDX are the same number. That leaves zero margin and that assumes only 1 person in the MDX with no cargo. (I am assuming you are planning on towing with the MDX in your signature line).

We used to tow an X17Z with a Honda Pilot. When looking for our original hybrid trailer, the Jayco dealer inquired about our tow vehicle. When we told him the Honda Pilot, he told us that the X17Z was the only trailer he would feel comfortable selling us for safety reasons.

The Pilot did the job well, but you could tell the 3500 pound trailer was probably the heaviest thing you would want to tow with it. Knowing we wanted to get a larger trailer, we upgraded our TV first (RAM 1500) prior to purchasing the X23B.

Just some thoughts.
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When we purchased our 23b used last october a equilizer hitch came with it '' equilizer brand name'' we have used about 6 times works good reese also makes a good hitch
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Not sure how far along you are but I just spent a weekend in 104 degree heat with my 23b and popup gizmos on the canvas. My 13.5 air conditioner was unable to keep up, the trailer was very warm. The canvas ends and rather thin insulation were not a great combo. For Az , I would go large.
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I think you are going to find that your TV is going to be completely inadequate for towing the X23B, especially if you take the rig over mountains. The GVWR of the trailer and the maximum tow capacity of the MDX are the same number. That leaves zero margin and that assumes only 1 person in the MDX with no cargo. (I am assuming you are planning on towing with the MDX in your signature line).

We used to tow an X17Z with a Honda Pilot. When looking for our original hybrid trailer, the Jayco dealer inquired about our tow vehicle. When we told him the Honda Pilot, he told us that the X17Z was the only trailer he would feel comfortable selling us for safety reasons.

The Pilot did the job well, but you could tell the 3500 pound trailer was probably the heaviest thing you would want to tow with it. Knowing we wanted to get a larger trailer, we upgraded our TV first (RAM 1500) prior to purchasing the X23B.

Just some thoughts.
Thanks for your thoughtful concern. I am a little surprised that someone hadn't already raised a red flag as this is something that we have debated quite a bit.

The towing capacity of the Pilot is 4,500 lbs. and the MDX is 5,000 lbs.

We started with the x17, but my husband is a bit taller than 6'4" and he felt like he was in a cage. Then we considered the x19h for almost a year and were going to order that, but when we went to place the order there was a new x23b on the lot and my husband fell in love with it. We immediately discussed the load vs our MDX capacity and, I swear, he liked it so much he would have agreed to drive naked in order to make the weight.

So here is what we are thinking: The 23B should weigh between 4,250 and 4,350 lbs including the upgrades. We have weighed everything that we would need for a one week outing - including us; the dog; clothing; food; utensils; gear; beer ; etc. After deducting the 150 lb allowance our total was just under 400 lbs.

We will not load water until we reach the camp and we are having the best and safest hitch etc that we can find. We plan to upgrade our TV in 13 months, and will stay close to home and avoid mountains and boondocking until we do that.

Our first stop will be at a CAT scale and if the TT weighs much more than expected, it goes into a hangar and stays inside until we get a bigger TV.

In the meantime, we'll throw some lights on the awning and our grandkids won't even notice that we are camping indoors.

Did I miss anything? Please let me know, and thanks for caring.
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snip...... Our first stop will be at a CAT scale and if the TT weighs much more than expected, it goes into a hangar and stays inside until we get a bigger TV........snip
Sounds like a good plan, but weigh your TV/TT combination under loaded conditions (full fuel, passengers, cargo, etc.), then you will also know if your WDH is adjusted correctly as well. The yellow sticker on the X23B will have the actual ship weight, just add the weight of the battery (or anything else the dealer adds) to get a fairly accurate UVW rolling off the dealer lot.

When you do your weigh-in, pay close attention to your TV's loaded CAT scale weight because the loaded tongue weight of the X23B goes against your TV's payload capacity. My BIL's 23B loaded tongue weight was about 650lbs.

I see you mentioned that you have the CAT scale instructions, not sure which ones but here is the JOF TV/TT CAT scale walk-thru:

https://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/f37/how-to-weigh-your-tv-tt-3871.html

Again, smart move planning a CAT weigh-in.

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It does look like you thought about this quite a bit. One other thing to keep in mind -- the wheelbase of the MDX is relatively short. The trailer is going to feel like it is pushing the MDX around a bit. It will be very noticeable when a tractor-trailer passes you. I noticed quite a reduction when I switched from the Pilot to the Ram.

I completely understand falling in love with the X23B -- we just got ours and love it. Beautiful trailer and it has everything we would ever need in a trailer. You can even keep the tent ends in and sleep on the dinette if the weather gets cold (or quick overnight somewhere.) You wouldn't even feel crowded.

Just for reference, our X23B weighed 4286 pounds from the factory (includes propane, but not the battery).
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Do not see any mention of a brake controller for your TV. I am going to assume you have one or the dealer is installing one for you. Also look into putting a product called Refletix in the windows of your beds. It is available at Home Depot or other stores. Just cut it to fit in the windows behind the screens. It will help cool your trailer a lot.
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