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Old 06-10-2018, 05:47 PM   #1
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Can my F150 pull this 5er?

Have a 30K miles 2009 F150 SuperCab, with 5.4L V8 and 3.73 axle. It's well equipped with max tow package and heavy duty payload package, 163" wheelbase, 36 gal. gas tank 17" 7-lug steel wheels. It's called the "Unicorn". Payload is 2405 lbs. and max 5er weight is listed at 11,300 lbs. It was special ordered by original owner to pull her 5er. Currently pulling a Jayco 24FBS at 7500 lbs. GVWR.
So here's my issue ..... I'm looking at moving to a Jayco HT 5er, 26.5RLDS. GVWR is listed at 9995 lbs. with a dry hitch weight of 1550 lbs. The GVWR is 88% of the max towing capacity and I have always used 80-85% for my TTs. I'm a little over that....will this be acceptable? Would you hook this one up with a loaded F150 like mine? Or does a 5er not have the same margin of safety?
My F150 is strong and I can't afford to go to a F250 -- retired guy with fixed income.
Thanks for all your comments and opinions as I really value the information I get from this forum.

Jeff,
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Old 06-10-2018, 06:43 PM   #2
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You are within the ratings for your vehicle. I would not have any reservations about pulling it with your current vehicle. J.M.H.O.
Also from what I have read that is what the HT stands for in the model number "Half Ton"
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I have no problems going to 90+ percent of rating.

But your problem will more likely be your rear axle load carrying capability and total payload. It is not unusual to end up with the pin weight taking all your payload, leaving nothing for driver, etc. You need to go through those numbers (typically on the drivers side for frame).
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I personally would not tow that kind of weight and or camper profile with a 1/2 ton. Will it pull it? Probably. Will your f150 control it in a SHTF moment highly unlikely. Since you can’t afford a F250 then you can’t afford another F150, so take care of the truck you have.
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Sounds fine to me. Typical pin weight is 15-20% of GVWR so you would be up to 2000lb pin and with careful loading you can make it less. I would weigh the trailer and pin weight before loading it and then after to see where you need to shift weight (if any).

Don't listen to the gloom and doom types. If you are within weights you will be fine. FYI, when we had a Tundra and a 7000lb fiver I had a couple of instances of 'emergency stops' and one case where I was in the mountains with no trailer brakes. Every time the rig did fine despite being at the max weights for the truck.

I would ask how much towing you will be doing. If towing a lot at max weights then things like transmissions and axles can have a shorter life. Now, maybe that means you get 100k out of the truck instead of 200k miles. Or maybe 200k instead of 300k depending on how the truck is built.
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I had almost the same setup as you do. But I didnt have the heavy duty payload package so my weights were more restrictive than yours. Mine towed a 8000# 5er OK. I was over rear axle weight by a few hundred pounds. Was over payload by a few hundred pounds. Was over Max vehicle weight by 400#.



Its big problem came from Bow Wave upset with Large Prevosts smoking past me and upsetting the trailer which in turn started wagging the Tow Vehicle. Scared the you know what out both me and the wife. So much so I got rid of a beautiful setup because it was unsafe. Traded the F150 in for a F350 and havent looked back.
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Thanks for your responses but I still don't know if I'm good. Payload capacity is 2405 with 1550 hitch weight. That leaves 855 lbs. for "all else". To calculate the "all else" pounds I include body weight, cargo in TV and in TV bed. Do I also include 36gals. of fuel and other things?

I don't want to be over my 2405 payload but can I be right under the max and be okay? Is there an 80% or 90% rule for payload safety? I am a conservative guy and don't want to push the limits.

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In all the literature I've read Ford includes full fluids and a 150 lb driver in their payload capacity number.
My concern would be the actual pin weight vs. the advertised pin weight once loaded.
If you pack careful you should be within your numbers.
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Thanks for your responses but I still don't know if I'm good. Payload capacity is 2405 with 1550 hitch weight. That leaves 855 lbs. for "all else". To calculate the "all else" pounds I include body weight, cargo in TV and in TV bed. Do I also include 36gals. of fuel and other things?

I don't want to be over my 2405 payload but can I be right under the max and be okay? Is there an 80% or 90% rule for payload safety? I am a conservative guy and don't want to push the limits.

Happy RVing,
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Curb weight would include full fuel so fuel wouldn't be included in your calculation of payload. I didn't see any mention of a driver being included in the curb weight so payload would include the driver, passengers. cargo and tongue weight.
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"... Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight assumes a towing vehicle with any mandatory options, no cargo, tongue load of
10-15% (conventional trailer) or king pin weight of 15-25% (fifth-wheel trailer) and driver only (150 pounds). Weight of additional options, passengers, cargo
and hitch must be deducted from this weight. Also check Required and Recommended Equipment on page 15."

From page 16 of the 2009 Ford Towing Guide
https://www.fleet.ford.com/resources...9RVTTguide.pdf
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