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Old 08-11-2015, 08:29 AM   #71
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And they have a lower payload right? Coils ride nicer unloaded but handle less weight. It's a trade off. My tow vehicle is not my daily driver. So I don't have to compromise.
In the 1/2 tons, yes. But my RAM 2500 Tradesman 6.4L 4x4 has a shade over 3000 lbs payload capacity per the door placard. You can knock a grand off that number for the Cummins Turbo Diesel option.

With that being said, the RAM 2500 Power Wagon has about the same amount of payload as my 2012 GMC Sierra 1500. It's a neat truck though...
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Old 08-11-2015, 09:43 AM   #72
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And they have a lower payload right? Coils ride nicer unloaded but handle less weight. It's a trade off. My tow vehicle is not my daily driver. So I don't have to compromise.
Nope. 10000 GVW. Truck weighs 7383 lbs with me and a full tank of gas. It's a megacab 4x4 too.
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Old 08-11-2015, 09:51 AM   #73
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I've only got a measly 2370lbs of payload in my diesel 2500 with rear coils...
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Old 08-11-2015, 11:03 PM   #74
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Thanks all! I stopped getting email notices on replies, so didn't realize there were still replies coming in. We wanted to go the new truck route, but after researching the cost, adding the cost of the trailer, we're not in a position to spend the extra money right now. Our car payment would increase by at least $100, plus potentially $200 or so - puts us at a good $300 or more per month. we had anticipated maybe $200 for the trailer, but going from an XLT 150 to an XL 250, losing probably $8k in depreciation on our truck only having had it for 1.5 years.. all these factors played in to us having second thoughts. It's a great financial hit, and I'm not saying we won't do it, but doing it so close to having bought it won't work with our financial situation at the moment. We've decided to compromise, knowing that the solution is temporary, and after about 5 or so years, we will either upgrade the truck OR go to a Motorhome, it's just that we really shouldn't do either of those options financially at this time.

That said, we're looking at lighter weight trailers (both Jayco and others), and I am considering the whitehawk line (which I thought wasn't really that much lighter, but did find one worth considering).
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with a weight of 5669 - about a thousand less than the 28 BHBE, and about two thousand less than our max rating.



I was hoping to get under 5,000, but this is about as good as I can go with a compromise at this time. the other trailer we are looking at is also about 5500 lbs. It already has some of the things we were thinking about adding - Power tongue jack being one, and that weight is supposedly already figured in. I am hoping this lighter weight trailer will be light enough, conisdering on paper its 2000 lbs below our max.
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Old 08-11-2015, 11:12 PM   #75
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2016 Jayflight 28 BHBE Elite - towing with an F150

Where did you see that weight? I see it listed as 6020 dry, which means it will come to you more likely at 6300-6500. So, once loaded you'll be over 7000 pounds with likely a 900-1100 pound tongue weight. Hopefully others that have it can report their real weights to help you better determine if it will work for you.

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The 2 trailers you are looking at aren't that much different in dry weight. It's mostly the cargo loading capacity that is different. People before were basing some of the numbers on loading the other one to somewhere over 7000 pounds, not to the full GVWR. So if this one will be close to the same loaded, it's not going to be any different.

Remember the max tow rating of your vehicle is mostly meaningless. You can only tow that with a 150 pound driver and nothing else in the vehicle and no accessories added by the dealer or yourself. They use those max weights more for advertising purposes it seems. Makes it sounds like the trucks can tow anything.
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Old 08-11-2015, 11:25 PM   #76
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I should have clarified - this is a 2013 model - used - White Hawk Travel Trailers | Jayco, Inc. it's listed at just 5,290 but the actual ship weight according to the dealer is 5669.
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WeightsUnloaded Vehicle Weight (lbs) 5,290 Dry Hitch Weight (lbs) 590 Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (lbs) 7,500 Cargo Carrying Capacity (lbs) 2,210
i know there is a great disparity between what things are sold as being able to do, and what they SHOULD. which is why we have dropped to the 5500 range as our starting point. or rather, a goal to hit or stay under. 5669 does not seem significantly over that, but i could be wrong
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Old 08-11-2015, 11:29 PM   #77
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Ohio, I think you have pretty much read all the different views by now. My hat off to you and the hub for thinking ahead.

My experience has taught me:

Tough to have too much trailer if you have kids. A lower trim level truck tows as well as higher trim level and costs way less. Got the short bed truck - wished I had gotten long bed - always more stuff to put in bed of truck. Got the 2500 - should have gotten a 3500 for such little difference in cost. Don't see the need for a dually unless pulling a fifth wheel - then go dually. Got a new diesel HD truck - should have looked for a late model used.

I think on these points for the future.

Best of luck.
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Old 08-11-2015, 11:32 PM   #78
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It sounds like you are going through the same exact process that I went through. I fell in love with the Keystone Outback 25TRS which weighed in around 5500#. Almost pulled the trigger but there wasn't a dealer locally. I also got to researching some more and realized that even though it initially looked good on paper since we have a Ford Expedition that is rated to tow 9000# once we added in our passengers in the TV (I have 4 kids and 2 dogs) we did not have the payload left to make that fly. I also knew I didn't want tent ends on my trailer. That is why we went with the Jay Feather X254.
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Old 08-11-2015, 11:37 PM   #79
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I hear you. What we want to do, and what we can do right now are a little different. So we have to take the information we have gleaned and try to make something work. hopefully. if this one falls through again (if we find it's just not a good idea) then we may resort to an OLD OLD Motor home, that is in budget but yet no towing worries. but a heck of a lot of maintenance concerns no easy answer. We want to go, we want to bring at least some family, and we'd prefer to stay away from hybrid/tents. our options just narrowed WAY down. just trying to get a comfort level. I am thinking this is an ok option based on what I have seen, but it's hard to know an exact number that is safe. I just don't know. Part of it will be a guessing game, I am just hoping to keep THAT part incredibly small.
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Have you weighed the truck with everyone in it? That would be a great starting point as then you know what the rest of your gear, tongue weight and WDH can weigh.

Add about 1000 pounds to that trailer weight for all your stuff. And you're at around 6600. Your tongue weight is going to be 800 pounds or more. Add 100 for WDH. Once you folks weigh yourselves you can see if you have the room for 900 pounds on the tongue and gear.
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