Tongue weight, can you explain that one ?

[homer1959]

Jayflight 29RKS by itself ready for camping on scale weigh :

axle 6666 lbs tongue jack on another scale pad 1034 lbs

Now with the trailer couple to the TV and the wd bars on

Weight of the truck 7172 lbs with the trailer couple to it with the bars on ...weight of the truck alone 6226 = tongue weight 946 lbs

So what is the real tongue weight, 1034 or 946 ?

I know its only 80 lbs but I have a Equalizer 4 10000/1000 that I would like to keep ,so it will be maxed out ...

if that can help when coupled together the trailer is pointing down 1 inch.

[Rustic Eagle]

homer1959,

IMO the 1,034lbs. at the tongue jack would be more reflective of your TT's actual loaded tongue weight than with the WDH spring bars engaged result of 946lbs.. Your existing WDH rated at 1,000lbs should be fine when properly adjusted.

For the most part the loaded tongue weight placed on the TV's hitch ball remains fairly constant, the WDH is distributing some of the additional weight from the TV's rear axle do to the effect of the weight placed on the V's hitch ball.

Feel free to post your TT's "scaled" tongue weight results at the following JOF thread:

https://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/f...t-57188-5.html

Bob

[homer1959]

Originally Posted by Rustic Eagle

homer1959,


For the most part the loaded tongue weight placed on the TV's hitch ball remains fairly constant,

I also realised that, if the weight is not right on the A frame that the tongue weight is not really changing.

Feel free to post your TT's "scaled" tongue weight results at the following JOF thread: DONE

Bob

One thing to comfirm my impression is that if I take the dry weight on Jayco site for this trailer that the dry tongue weight equal 12%. And, with my real combo weight the tongue weight is at 12.4 % so... i regards of the WDH hitch adjustment I am 154lbs lighter on the front axle compared without the bars, and its right on the money if I follow Ford and equalizer instruction for front fender height . Ill put the combo to the test for the first time living for a 2500km trip to Orlando, the maisen trip for this trailer ....scary :-) we all know about the initial quality lol

[homer1959]

Originally Posted by Rustic Eagle

homer1959,

IMO the 1,034lbs. at the tongue jack would be more reflective of your TT's actual loaded tongue weight than with the WDH spring bars engaged result of 946lbs.. Your existing WDH rated at 1,000lbs should be fine when properly adjusted.

For the most part the loaded tongue weight placed on the TV's hitch ball remains fairly constant, the WDH is distributing some of the additional weight from the TV's rear axle do to the effect of the weight placed on the V's hitch ball.

Feel free to post your TT's "scaled" tongue weight results at the following JOF thread:

https://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/f...t-57188-5.html

Bob

Rustic...how far up you would stop putting weight above the manufacturer recommnended maximum of the WDH ? 1100 /1200/ 1300 ? Not that I want to cheat but a 150 above the max would be nice if the trailer sway is still under control. I would hate to spends 700.00 canadian for 150 pounds of capacity

They must have calculated some gap there I would think

[Rustic Eagle]

homer1959,

Originally Posted by homer1959

Rustic...how far up you would stop putting weight above the manufacturer recommnended maximum of the WDH ?.......snip

Difficult to respond with a specific weight limit..., to many variables to consider from one TV/TT combination to another. To fully optimize the operating performance of any WDH under ideal and more importantly 'less then ideal' towing conditions, staying within the manufacture's maximum rating is best.

In my case I moved up to a higher rated spring bar towing my "prior" TT when my scaled loaded tongue weight started exceeding my existing WDH 1,200lb spring bar rating by a little over 100lbs. I also took into consideration that a CAT scale has a plus/minus 40lb certified tolerance.

Bob

[homer1959]

Rustic Eagle.... The problem is that if I go above 1000 lbs bars Ill be above the rating of my OEM factory hitch on my F150 (1150lbs).. so a new WDH means a new class V tow hitch... or a new truck and its not in my plan :-)

Ill know for sure if what I have work or if Ill have to make a move. So far we pulled the TT for about 50 miles at highway speed and it was very stable tow so ...

Btw I was not really questionning the ability for the hitch to control sway above the rating, Im more concern about a sudden clean break in the hitch head ... but my guess is that the chance are minimal .... time will tell .. nothing is an absolute guaranty nowadays and thanks for your input

[Rustic Eagle]

homer1959,

Originally Posted by homer1959

Rustic Eagle.... The problem is that if I go above 1000 lbs bars Ill be above the rating of my OEM factory hitch on my F150 (1150lbs).. so a new WDH means a new class V tow hitch......snip

Just a thought....., you could consider an upgrade to 1,200lb (or 1,400lb) WDH rated spring bars, just don't exceed a 1,150lb loaded TT tongue weight thus meeting your TV's OEM receiver weight limit specification.

Bob

[homer1959]

Originally Posted by Rustic Eagle

homer1959,



Just a thought....., you could consider an upgrade to 1,200lb (or 1,400lb) WDH rated spring bars, just don't exceed a 1,150lb loaded TT tongue weight thus meeting your TV's OEM receiver weight limit specification.

Bob

Yup that make sense but as you know there is always a but.... :-)

My problem is that I cannot put 1200 lbs bar on my 10000 lbs equalizer hitch ... the 10000 and 12000 head arent the same and the 1200 bars wont fit on a 10000 lbs hitch.... so Ill be back to square one ... Ill have to get a complete new hitch .... and I might consider the husky centerline TS, it works on the same principle but a lot cheaper than the E4 and the are good for 1200/12000...
Trying to save a few buck is never easy :-)

My actual wdh will be maxed out or a tiny bit above the OEM rating so Im confident that Ill be ok its just that a really like to worry about everything....most of the time for nothing....Thanks God for that or my life would have been a complete catastrophy

[jbrnigan]

FWIW - The unloaded weight om my 29RKS was listed as 7400 lbs, as delivered from the factory with full propane tanks (sticker on the side of the trailer). The hitch weight was listed as 815 lbs (Jayco sales brochure). I purchased my Equal-i-zer hitch (1000 lb spring bars) based on Jayco's published weight data. After weighing my 29RKS, ready for travel - personal items, (tools, bedding, pots and pans, dishes etc) 16 gal water (10 gal fresh and 6 gal hot water heater), camping accessories (hoses, filters, wheel chocks etc) my trailer weight cat scaled at 8550, tongue weight at 1225 lbs. Well, I am using my 1000 lb spring bars without any noticeable reduced effect on sway control or equalization. I am well under my receiver weight rating (1500 lbs) and have the sway bars adjusted for sway control only as I needed very little equalization for my F-250 Super Duty. I'm not sure I would be too concerned about using your 1000 lb spring bars, as long as you can adjust your WDH per Equal-i-zers set up instructions. I don't know the weight ratings difference (if any) between the "heads", but, it appears that the only difference is in the spring bar socket to accommodate the larger (dimensionally) spring bar. I would be more concerned about exceeding your trucks receiver rating, than the spring bar rating. Also, the reason I now have an F-250 is: I only had to make a short tow to realize that my 29RKS was more trailer than I was comfortable towing with my Tundra, and it was well within the Tundra's towing specs.

[homer1959]

Originally Posted by jbrnigan

FWIW - The unloaded weight om my 29RKS was listed as 7400 lbs, as delivered from the factory with full propane tanks (sticker on the side of the trailer). The hitch weight was listed as 815 lbs (Jayco sales brochure). I purchased my Equal-i-zer hitch (1000 lb spring bars) based on Jayco's published weight data. After weighing my 29RKS, ready for travel - personal items, (tools, bedding, pots and pans, dishes etc) 16 gal water (10 gal fresh and 6 gal hot water heater), camping accessories (hoses, filters, wheel chocks etc) my trailer weight cat scaled at 8550, tongue weight at 1225 lbs. Well, I am using my 1000 lb spring bars without any noticeable reduced effect on sway control or equalization. I am well under my receiver weight rating (1500 lbs) and have the sway bars adjusted for sway control only as I needed very little equalization for my F-250 Super Duty. I'm not sure I would be too concerned about using your 1000 lb spring bars, as long as you can adjust your WDH per Equal-i-zers set up instructions. I don't know the weight ratings difference (if any) between the "heads", but, it appears that the only difference is in the spring bar socket to accommodate the larger (dimensionally) spring bar. I would be more concerned about exceeding your trucks receiver rating, than the spring bar rating. Also, the reason I now have an F-250 is: I only had to make a short tow to realize that my 29RKS was more trailer than I was comfortable towing with my Tundra, and it was well within the Tundra's towing specs.

Wow a lot heavier than mine, 7183 from factory , now 7700 , and I cant see adding much more than 175lbs ... but I understand that pounds are adding up pretty fast , especially on my poor body :-)

Like I've said the combo was pretty good for the 50 miles that I drove with it.

Btw thanks for telling me that your hitch didnt exploded wiht the 225 lbs above the max stated by Equalizer !! Ill sleep better tonight :-)

Btw, happy with your 29rks ?