2016 X23F Floor is Failing

[ALJO]

The floor construction itself is no mistake. It is the prevention technology what is not done correct for water intrusion. In order to go lite with flooring you have to construct it the way it is with also taking the insulation factor in mind. But the top and bottom layer has to be sealed and also every open spot where they cut or drill has to be sealed.

And that is the kicker they don't do.

There are many faults in the North American RV design and it will not change as long the demand is there.

[berwin]

My 2016 Alante 32N is going in the shop this coming week for the second time to try to address this problem.

[RetiredLEO]

Originally Posted by homer1959

You have the right to be disappointed and mad at Jayco... but dont be naive... there is no better company buiding better trailer than Jayco because they are all the same built from the same junk, components, manpower and location they all build overpriced junk .... however some have better marketing department making you beleive that they are ...different.... what makes me buy a Jayco is the 2 years warranty, certainly not the initial quality and the quality control applied to their product

I would suggest looking at Arctic Fox, Nash and ORV's.
Great quality, not mass produced. Owners for the most part are very pleased at the quality built into their TT's and 5th wheels.
If you like to boondock and hit the back country check out the construction on the ORV's
I'm not a employee or anything but just commenting on what I have seen on other sites about Northwoods family of RV's

[docdvm]

From my understanding the floor is made of two 3/8 inch sheets of plywood with styrofoam sandwiched in the middle. There have been countless failures with this construction and that is not a design flaw?????

Now explain to me how this floor can not delaminate bouncing down many miles of road. It is just a matter of time or maybe it was not detected.

Yes there are many other examples of shoddy work but this is a design problem with the manufacture at fault. Calls for class action if there are enough affected parties. I am not a lawyer but when you hear comments of how the delamination is caused by water infiltration, I question who represents that comment. It is an entire floor that is delaminating within 6 months of build! Credit is due to Prime Time for stepping up and replacing the trailer as it is within the warrantee period but how many have been detected after the warrantee has expired?

Now this is not my trailer nor is it a Jayco but it worries me how people dismiss it and don't expect the same to happen in their rigs. So what else can go wrong in the warrantee period that we should look for?

[Rick-in-Houston]

Jayco replaces my flooring through out my Seneca and did a beautiful job but is was under factory warranty.
The reason it had to be replaced because the sub-flooring screws where backing out in several places.

[docdvm]

Glad to hear that Jayco stand behind their product. My first trip was 6000 miles over 1 month. Eagle held up very well and very satisfied. It is worrisome though hearing all the problems people have with their sizeable cost of a trailer. I believe that you cannot cover up a structural damage . The floor is laid first and then the rest of the trailer is built over that floor. So if it is failing then the trailer needs to be completely disassembles to pay a new floor. Takes a lot of man hours to complete that job!!!

[Crabman]

My question is how much weight are they really saving with these floors over traditional 2x3 wooden joist floors 16" on center with plywood decking? Is a few hundred pounds saved worth all this pain? IMO no.....

[JDPEagle]

Originally Posted by Crabman

My question is how much weight are they really saving with these floors over traditional 2x3 wooden joist floors 16" on center with plywood decking? Is a few hundred pounds saved worth all this pain? IMO no.....

A “stick built” trailer wouldn’t stand a chance over the road (just ask any Cherokee owner after two years of ownership).

We purchased a 2018 16XRB and began noticing the soft spots within the first few trips. On one trip, a small box fell off of the top shelf above the fridge and punched a hole in the floor.

We traded in the XRB for a 2018 Greyhawk.

[Crabman]

Originally Posted by JDPEagle

A “stick built” trailer wouldn’t stand a chance over the road (just ask any Cherokee owner after two years of ownership).

We purchased a 2018 16XRB and began noticing the soft spots within the first few trips. On one trip, a small box fell off of the top shelf above the fridge and punched a hole in the floor.

We traded in the XRB for a 2018 Greyhawk.

Not sure what you mean. Jayflights are built the way I described, you don't see members reporting floor failure in them. I had one for 7 years and it was a solid unit from day one until I sold it in 2016 and it certainly saw the open road lol. My current trailer has the same construction, approaching two years on this one. The plywood floor over joists is much stronger and easier to repair should the need arise.

[Ruggybuggy]

Originally Posted by docdvm

Does Jayco stand behind their product??

Sure but getting the warranty work done can be difficult.

[RetiredLEO]

Originally Posted by Crabman

My question is how much weight are they really saving with these floors over traditional 2x3 wooden joist floors 16" on center with plywood decking? Is a few hundred pounds saved worth all this pain? IMO no.....

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[twoballscrewball]

OK Let's all take a break from complaining about the floors and take a look at this

Got it done this weekend, total cost was under $200 for the flooring and the molding.

For the couch, I unscrewed the front panel and removed the side panel (you can see the side panel is still off in the pics) so the flooring would be captured under it. Everywhere else, I just used 1/2" X 3/4" pre stained quarter round. Did not need any molding near the slide out where there is carpet up the wall, looked good enough.

Left the vinyl alone in the bathroom since there will be a lot of water in there. Heavily caulked the doorway where the laminate flooring ended so there is no chance of water running down under the floor from a messy shower, then placed a 2" threshold there to step down from the laminate to the original vinyl.

Also caulked a lot near the entry door and sealed up the joints there. We will have a new, strict "no wet shoes" policy here on out as well

Here she is. Still have a bit of molding to finish up near the front and around the fridge. Looks awesome, feels strong, and no more seeing and feeling the beams and seams in the floor!

Ended up going with 8mm laminate by the way, got it on sale and the 12mm was all at least 3X the price. No issues, feels 10 times better than the original floor.

[twoballscrewball]

Bathroom doorway, transitioning to the original vinyl.

[homer1959]

nice job !!

[Scott91370]

Turned out nice! I also left the vinyl in the bathroom when I redid my floor.

[bdreinv]

Did you use the old pieces as a template,what type adhesive? Looks far better that what came with camper!Thanks

[twoballscrewball]

I left the original vinyl in place.

This stuff comes in sections approx 6" X 48" that lock together. You just trim it piece by piece as you lay it down, where necessary.

It does not get glued down. I did apply sealer to the joints near the entrance door, as well as caulked the sections near the entrance door and bathroom heavily under the thresholds and along those walls, to keep any water from getting under the floor.

Thanks for the kind words so far all.

[bankr63]

Very clean looking job Steve!

Any issues with the entry door threshold? I'm not sure I could 8-12mm under mine, it's pretty much flush with the vinyl already.

[twoballscrewball]

Nope, pulled the 3 screws, laid the floor, caulked the edge really good, then screwed the threshold back down, looks and works fine.

[Crabman]

Looks nice! Should be good to go now.