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Old 04-28-2015, 09:22 PM   #1
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Tow Vehicle and Payload Capacity

Hi Everyone,

Would like to ask if anyone is using a Ram 1500 as a tow vehicle? I bought a 2014 1500 Sport 4x4 with 3.92 gearing last fall with the plan of upgrading from my Jayco pop-up to a travel trailer. Now that I am doing the math, I have realised that I am bumping up against the payload capacity for the truck if I get anything with more than a 550-600 lb tongue weight even though the advertising pumps "pull up to 10,000 lbs".

The GVWR of the Ram is 6900 lbs and I had it weighed today with a full tank of gas and me sitting in it and came out to 6000 lbs. That leaves me 900 lbs for wife, two kids, and the hitch. Figure about 250 lbs for the wife and kids, 65 lbs for the hitch leaves me at 585 lbs for the trailer.

We would like to get the Jay Flight 28BHBE which has a 610 lb tongue weight according to the brochure. Can my Ram safely handle this trailer? The GAWR has room, the GCVWR has room, but the payload is the issue. Would I get a ticket if I was slightly over? Has anyone been cited for being overweight on the tow vehicle payload capacity?

Looking for any insight that the group can offer...thanks
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Old 04-28-2015, 09:48 PM   #2
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I have never heard of any non-commerical driver/vehicle get a ticket for being overweight. However that certainly doesn't make it right or safe.

Someone will be along to tell you that you will get sued and that your insurance company won't cover you should you have an accident while being over weight. Again I have never seen proof of this claim although you read it all the time.

That said, the 28BHBE is a very nice TT and I think its to much for you truck. You can search threads and find owners reporting actual CAT scale weights, they are almost always 1000+ Lbs. The published dry tongue weight of 610 doesn't inlcude batteries or propane. If you can find an actual yellow as-built sticker, it will include propane, but still not battery(ies).

You are up against the classic 1500/150 series issue, not nearly enough pay load to match the tow ratings.
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Old 04-28-2015, 09:55 PM   #3
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You will get great advice from people far more experienced than me but I would like to share this website to help.

I would venture to say they will tell you that the advertised hitch weight is usually lighter than it will actually be when trailer is fully loaded. Look at yellow sticker on trailer of actual trailer weight and figure how much you will load in it. Tongue weight should be between 10-15% of trailer weight.

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Tommy I just bought a 29qbs thinking my 1500 Silverado was going to be enough truck. I looked at the numbers and thought I was not even close to my max towing capacity so therefor I must be ok. I took it to the scales the day after I bought it and I am now shopping for a 2500. I think I'll be able to stay below my max numbers (I had 150lbs to spare) if I don't put to much into my trailer but I don't want to be at my max. Just doesn't feel good to have to constantly be worried about it. Also if we end up taking through the Rockies, which is the plan, I want to know I've got the stopping power of a bigger truck. Makes me wish I had done a little more research prior to buying the TT but I love it so much I don't know that I'd do anything different anyway.
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Hi Everyone,

Would like to ask if anyone is using a Ram 1500 as a tow vehicle? I bought a 2014 1500 Sport 4x4 with 3.92 gearing last fall with the plan of upgrading from my Jayco pop-up to a travel trailer. Now that I am doing the math, I have realised that I am bumping up against the payload capacity for the truck if I get anything with more than a 550-600 lb tongue weight even though the advertising pumps "pull up to 10,000 lbs".

The GVWR of the Ram is 6900 lbs and I had it weighed today with a full tank of gas and me sitting in it and came out to 6000 lbs. That leaves me 900 lbs for wife, two kids, and the hitch. Figure about 250 lbs for the wife and kids, 65 lbs for the hitch leaves me at 585 lbs for the trailer.

We would like to get the Jay Flight 28BHBE which has a 610 lb tongue weight according to the brochure. Can my Ram safely handle this trailer? The GAWR has room, the GCVWR has room, but the payload is the issue. Would I get a ticket if I was slightly over? Has anyone been cited for being overweight on the tow vehicle payload capacity?

Looking for any insight that the group can offer...thanks
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Tommy I just bought a 29qbs thinking my 1500 Silverado was going to be enough truck. I looked at the numbers and thought I was not even close to my max towing capacity so therefor I must be ok. I took it to the scales the day after I bought it and I am now shopping for a 2500. I think I'll be able to stay below my max numbers (I had 150lbs to spare) if I don't put to much into my trailer but I don't want to be at my max. Just doesn't feel good to have to constantly be worried about it. Also if we end up taking through the Rockies, which is the plan, I want to know I've got the stopping power of a bigger truck. Makes me wish I had done a little more research prior to buying the TT but I love it so much I don't know that I'd do anything different anyway.
Well as the 2 quotes above all state I too purchased a trailer thinking I would tow it with my 2010 5.7 Tundra dbl cab. The more I read and the more info I gathered I found that while I was under my towing capacity my pin weight would be way over(mine is a 5th wheel). Because the payload weight wasn't really in the right ballpark I opted to up grade my truck, I had many people tell me that the truck would handle it fine but I don't like pushing the limits too far.
As for weight limits and getting caught, I live next to the Trans Canada Highway and I see the blitzes that the MTO put on and while they don't often target RV's but they will at times depending on the current Blitz. It usually changes what trailers or vehicles they target but at time they target them all. Also a coworker was in NH last summer on vacation and while traveling on the interstate came across a DOT station running all vehicles with trailers across the scale(he was pulling a popup with a 1500 so drove right through) and had many pulled over. While again this is not common for me taking the chance that I might have to leave my trailer behind and ruin a vacation was not worth the risk.
Besides the new smell was all out of the old truck!
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Old 04-29-2015, 12:40 AM   #6
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Hi Everyone,

Would like to ask if anyone is using a Ram 1500 as a tow vehicle? I bought a 2014 1500 Sport 4x4 with 3.92 gearing last fall with the plan of upgrading from my Jayco pop-up to a travel trailer. Now that I am doing the math, I have realised that I am bumping up against the payload capacity for the truck if I get anything with more than a 550-600 lb tongue weight even though the advertising pumps "pull up to 10,000 lbs".

The GVWR of the Ram is 6900 lbs and I had it weighed today with a full tank of gas and me sitting in it and came out to 6000 lbs. That leaves me 900 lbs for wife, two kids, and the hitch. Figure about 250 lbs for the wife and kids, 65 lbs for the hitch leaves me at 585 lbs for the trailer.

We would like to get the Jay Flight 28BHBE which has a 610 lb tongue weight according to the brochure. Can my Ram safely handle this trailer? The GAWR has room, the GCVWR has room, but the payload is the issue. Would I get a ticket if I was slightly over? Has anyone been cited for being overweight on the tow vehicle payload capacity?

Looking for any insight that the group can offer...thanks
Hey Tommy,
If the advertised tongue weight is 610# it will be more after you load your gear in the TT. I'd estimate 500 to 1000# more on the trailer which would add 75 to 150# to the tongue (estimating 15%).
The 4x4 will increase the weight of the TV and reduce the amount of cargo. Don't fool yourself into thinking adding airbags or other suspension mods will increase the GAWR, it's still a half ton truck.
What are the individual axle weights? The 4x4 adds a lot of weight to the front and decreases the available cargo.
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Hi Tommy. As can be seen in my signature, I have a 28BHBE. Yellow sticker weight is 7189lbs. (as she left the factory). Our first trip out was well loaded as we were out "boondocking" in Wells Gray Provincial Park in BC. We scaled out at approx 8800lbs trailer weight, 1200lbs of which was tongue weight. We did have full fresh water tanks (700+lbs). (Elite pkg). Our 3500HD Silverado gasser f had no troubles with all this trailer at all.

I have found it is best to calculate off of Gross Trailer Weight for tongue weight using 15% max for calculation. This way you know that you will have enough truck for the job. JMHO.

Also be sure to hit the scales...
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Hi Tommy. As can be seen in my signature, I have a 28BHBE. Yellow sticker weight is 7189lbs. (as she left the factory). Our first trip out was well loaded as we were out "boondocking" in Wells Gray Provincial Park in BC. We scaled out at approx 8800lbs trailer weight, 1200lbs of which was tongue weight. We did have full fresh water tanks (700+lbs). (Elite pkg). Our 3500HD Silverado gasser f had no troubles with all this trailer at all.

I have found it is best to calculate off of Gross Trailer Weight for tongue weight using 15% max for calculation. This way you know that you will have enough truck for the job. JMHO.

Also be sure to hit the scales...
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Scales, YES!
That's a big difference in weights. Your dry weight is 7189 which would be about 1079# on the tongue. Tommy's tongue is advertised at 610#.
This don't add up to me
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I'm not sure how they get away with advertising weights the way the do. It's obviously done to sell more trailers but the fact that they don't add propane tanks,batteries and a hitch adds a couple hundred pounds before you even start loading gear. For a newbie such as myself I figured even if I added 100lbs to the advertised weights I'd be fine but those weights are on a bare bones trailer with no options or anything. Very deceiving!
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I'm not sure how they get away with advertising weights the way the do. It's obviously done to sell more trailers but the fact that they don't add propane tanks,batteries and a hitch adds a couple hundred pounds before you even start loading gear. For a newbie such as myself I figured even if I added 100lbs to the advertised weights I'd be fine but those weights are on a bare bones trailer with no options or anything. Very deceiving!
Yes, they are very deceiving...
I bought a new Chevy 1500 in Feb of 2014 after looking online at trailers and weights thinking it would be perfect for towing what we wanted to buy later in the year. Man was I wrong... Once we started actually shopping and seeing the real weights posted on the units on the lot it became apparent we needed more truck. We originally wanted the 28BHBE and like you thought it was enough truck until I dug into the numbers. Do a search on this forum for the 28BHBE and you'll see a few conversations about pulling it with a 1/2 ton vs 3/4. There are a few doing it with 1/2 tons but most are 3/4 or want a 3/4. Unfortunately the Ram has one of the lowest payloads of the 1/2 tons which I found surprising..
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