Jayco RV Owners Forum
 


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 04-20-2011, 09:04 PM   #1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 129
Trailer hitch weight questions...

Hi there,

First question. Is "hitch weight" synonomous with "tongue weight"?

Second question. On the Jayco website, for any given model they list a hitch weight. Some models specify a "dry hitch weight" like the Jay Flight 28BHS. Other models such as the Eagle Super Light 284BHS simply show a "hitch weight". Should I assume this is also a dry hitch weight even though it does not say so?

Next, isn't the tongue weight of a trailer dependent upon it's loaded weight? Meaning the tongue weight is not a constant?

Thanks for the clarification,
Chris
__________________

StarGazer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2011, 10:18 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
TexasA&M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Ft. Worth, TX
Posts: 388
Yes, yes, and yes.

Hitch weight and tongue weight are the same. Not sure why some of the specs listed on the Jayco website are worded differently, but I've noticed a couple of other inconsistencies, so you are safe to assume that anything Jayco lists, is the dry weight.

Tongue weight is absolutely dependent on loaded weight. That said, Jayco has no way of knowing what all you're going to load up in your trailer, so they have to list something. Also, if the trailer isn't naturally balanced from the factory, it would be very difficult to balance afterward by loading, so it's always good to know what the starting point is.

That said, you should load the camper up with whatever you would normally have in it, and then take the whole rig to the scale and see what it says. You can make adjustments from there.
__________________

TexasA&M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2011, 04:43 AM   #3
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 129
Thanks Tex. Yeah, the wording is a bit confusing.

Ok, just so I understand this correctly. I'm looking at the Jayco Eagle Super Light 284BHS which I'm picking up tomorrow. It shows Unloaded Weight of 6410. GVW of 8100. Hitch Weight 805.

I've been reading that ideally you want a hitch weight of between 10%-15% of the currently loaded trailer weight. So technically speaking the ACTUAL hitch weight of this trailer could be as little as 641 lbs or it could be as much as 1,215 lbs, or anywhere in between. Actual weight will be dependent on 1) how much the trailer weighs with what I've put in it and 2) how that weight is currently distributed from front to back in the trailer.

Do I have this right? That's certainly a large swing in tongue weight. I understand Jayco needs to list something on it's page. It appears that the tongue weight they show for any given model on their site is between 12.5%-13% of Unloaded weight or ~10% of Loaded weight.

So again, the trailer I'm looking at, the Eagle Super Light 28BHS fits within my towing capacity with about 1k lbs. to spare at fully loaded weight. However, the tongue weight can either be just fine or it could be too much for what my tow vehicle shows as max tongue capacity, depnding on how the weight is distributed.

I'm guessing I should purchase a tongue scale so I can keep this number in check.

Regards,
Chris
StarGazer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2011, 04:51 AM   #4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 129
Quote:
Originally Posted by StarGazer View Post
Thanks Tex. Yeah, the wording is a bit confusing.

Ok, just so I understand this correctly. I'm looking at the Jayco Eagle Super Light 284BHS which I'm picking up tomorrow. It shows Unloaded Weight of 6410. GVW of 8100. Hitch Weight 805.

I've been reading that ideally you want a hitch weight of between 10%-15% of the currently loaded trailer weight. So technically speaking the ACTUAL hitch weight of this trailer could be as little as 641 lbs or it could be as much as 1,215 lbs, or anywhere in between. Actual weight will be dependent on 1) how much the trailer weighs with what I've put in it and 2) how that weight is currently distributed from front to back in the trailer.

Do I have this right? That's certainly a large swing in tongue weight. I understand Jayco needs to list something on it's page. It appears that the tongue weight they show for any given model on their site is between 12.5%-13% of Unloaded weight or ~10% of Loaded weight.

So again, the trailer I'm looking at, the Eagle Super Light 28BHS fits within my towing capacity with about 1k lbs. to spare at fully loaded weight. However, the tongue weight can either be just fine or it could be too much for what my tow vehicle shows as max tongue capacity, depnding on how the weight is distributed.

I'm guessing I should purchase a tongue scale so I can keep this number in check.

Regards,
Chris
*Edit* And the addition of a weight distribution hitch also adds in another variable by removing some of the tongue weight and distributing it to the front axle of the tow vehicle and the axle of the trailer.

There is just no way of knowing with any certainty one's current tongue weight without having the scale. Especially since this number is not a static number at all. It can change quite easily and quite drastically as well.
StarGazer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2011, 08:30 AM   #5
Senior Member
 
TexasA&M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Ft. Worth, TX
Posts: 388
All correct statements above. Assuming your tow vehicle can handle it, I think it's always best to have a heavier tongue than a lighter one (within the 10-15% spec).

When you get your trailer, look for the yellow tag. There should be two of them, and they will show the actual weight of YOUR trailer as it rolled off the line. I believe tongue weight is listed there as well, but can't remember and don't have my trailer here to check. That will be your starting point. You are correct that there really is no way to tell without a scale of some sort (either at home or at a truck stop).

As far as a WD hitch is concerned, you still want the tongue weight to be between 10% and 15%. With a trailer your size, you will definitely want a WD setup with sway control. If you don't already have that, start researching now, as there are a lot of options. This will allow you to pull the trailer safely and much more comfortably.
TexasA&M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2011, 11:17 AM   #6
Site Team
 
Denise's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Mostly the US
Posts: 10,004
Welcome to the Jayco Owners Forum Chris! Our tongue weight empty with just tanks and one battery was 900 something lbs. Once we loaded the front storage area (light weight items), and extra battery, full tanks, and clothes in the front bedroom cabinets, the tongue weight jumped to around 1,050. We have weighed the tongue several times as we experimented with what we could put into the storage compartments. Currently, with the same packing for each trip, we are usually between 1,050 and 1,075. Pretty heavy for our half ton, but the WDH we currently have works well at keeping the front end of the tv down. Hope this helps some
__________________
moderator
Denise, DH, grandkids, and two rescue pups
-2016 Jay Flight 29QBS Elite
-2016 Ford F-250 XLT 4x2, 6.2L EFI V8, 4.30 Elec Lock, Heavy duty Alt
Denise is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2011, 04:13 PM   #7
Site Team
 
Crabman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Virginia`s Eastern Shore
Posts: 14,658
Tex, the tongue weight is not on the yellow sticker, not on 2010`s anyway. It is only in the brochure on the website and as said it is empty tongue weight. That`s before batteries, propane , WD hitch, and anything you put in the TT that contributes to tongue weight. The WD system distributes weight but does not reduce tongue weight. I realize that sounds a bit strange. So when you weigh your tongue with your TT loaded, that`s what you go by.
__________________
2017 Coachmen Catalina 283RKS
2004 Chevy 2500 HD CC 6.0l
2010 Jayflight 28BHS (sold)
Crabman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2011, 08:58 PM   #8
Moderator Emeritus
 
Rustic Eagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Michigan
Posts: 7,371
StarGazer,

Great information so far, thought I would add a little more for you to noodle over. The 284BHS has an over-all length of a little over 31 feet, which is considered a long TT. Your comment about the 10% - 15% being a wide spread is correct, but I would recommend that 13% - 15% would be more desirable with the longer TT's.

Since we don't tow empty TT's, one way is to use the TT's GVWR (8,100) as a worst case loaded TT weight condition. That said, 13% - 15% (of 8,100) would give you a 1,053lb to 1,215lb loaded tongue weight range. The 284BHS only has a 1,650 CCC...., all said & done adding 1,000lbs (tanks empty) over the TT's UVW of 6,410lbs will be "easy" IMO (7,410lbs loaded TT: 963lb - 1,111lb loaded tongue)....., so pushing toward an 8,000lb loaded TT weight is realistic depending on your loading habits.

I agree with TexasA&M, a properly sized WD with Sway Control is highly recommended. I would look into either a Reese Strait-Line WD hitch or Equal-i-zer WD hitch brand products because they both have integrated sway control. Also, based on the potential loaded tongue weight range for the 284BHS, IMO you should be looking at a 1,200lb rated WD hitch.

As mentioned, confirm that your TV and TV's receiver is up to the task.

Just food for thought.

Bob
__________________

2016 GM 2500HD 6.0L/4.10
2018 Jay Flight 24RBS
2005 Jayco Eagle 278FBS (retired)
1999 Jayco Eagle 246FB (retired)
Reese HP Dual Cam (integrated sway control)
Rustic Eagle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2011, 09:38 PM   #9
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 31
Heavy tongue weight

This is an informative thread. It seems I'm always reading about making sure there is enough weight on the tongue. As if not having enough is the more common problem. I understand the 10% - 15% goal with 13% the sweet spot. I have an X17C and my concern is with having too high a percentage. The Jayco website says the X17C has a tongue weight of 475 lbs. Now the GVW for the trailer is 3500 lbs. and my yellow sticker reads 3024 lbs. when it shipped. Assuming the 475 includes a full propane tank and the trailer has gear bringing it to 3500, you are already at 13.5%. I added a WDH with a shipping weight of 80 lbs. I used all the components but 80 seems a little high. Still, I'd bet there is at least 50 lbs between the hitch, shank, bars and ball. That puts me at 525 lbs and at 15%. I also have the spare tire which I believe was an option and thus likely not included in the 475 lbs listed by Jayco. I also have a battery on the tongue which I'm not sure is included in the 475 lb base. Finally, though we've only stuck some light weight lawn chairs in the storage area it is at the front of the trailer as well. I assume Jayco engineers considered these things in the design and I don't read about problems from the numerous 17C owners. It seems probable that I am above the 15% (at least 17%). What are the ramifications if so? I do believe I am below the 600 lb. max tongue weight on the Pathfinder.
Trout34 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2011, 10:01 PM   #10
Site Team
 
Crabman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Virginia`s Eastern Shore
Posts: 14,658
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trout34 View Post
This is an informative thread. It seems I'm always reading about making sure there is enough weight on the tongue. As if not having enough is the more common problem. I understand the 10% - 15% goal with 13% the sweet spot. I have an X17C and my concern is with having too high a percentage. The Jayco website says the X17C has a tongue weight of 475 lbs. Now the GVW for the trailer is 3500 lbs. and my yellow sticker reads 3024 lbs. when it shipped. Assuming the 475 includes a full propane tank and the trailer has gear bringing it to 3500, you are already at 13.5%. I added a WDH with a shipping weight of 80 lbs. I used all the components but 80 seems a little high. Still, I'd bet there is at least 50 lbs between the hitch, shank, bars and ball. That puts me at 525 lbs and at 15%. I also have the spare tire which I believe was an option and thus likely not included in the 475 lbs listed by Jayco. I also have a battery on the tongue which I'm not sure is included in the 475 lb base. Finally, though we've only stuck some light weight lawn chairs in the storage area it is at the front of the trailer as well. I assume Jayco engineers considered these things in the design and I don't read about problems from the numerous 17C owners. It seems probable that I am above the 15% (at least 17%). What are the ramifications if so? I do believe I am below the 600 lb. max tongue weight on the Pathfinder.

If you weigh your tongue, loaded to go, and find you are well over 15% you can put some items over or in back of the axles to get to the desired tongue weight. Just don`t wanna be "tongue light" though. As said 13% is ideal.
__________________

__________________
2017 Coachmen Catalina 283RKS
2004 Chevy 2500 HD CC 6.0l
2010 Jayflight 28BHS (sold)
Crabman is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Virginia State Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:50 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2002-2016 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.