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Old 11-12-2015, 07:15 AM   #191
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Dalengail, since you have manufacturer experience. What do you think about putting the slides out first, before auto levelling as mention in another thread.
It's no secrete that the auto level is putting pressure on the frame and as mentioned in the other thread the slides are installed and adjusted while the rig is sitting on the axels and front jacks.
It makes sense that a Schwintec slide should be moved while the frame is still in its unpressurized state.
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Old 11-12-2015, 07:55 AM   #192
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I get my demo Saturday and will ask. Like stated before u never see but landing gear down and all slides open on dealer lots. I might give Jayco a call about this issue. It makes no sense to me why they would install the slides without the unit level and would seem very hard to put a slide in a tilted unit
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Old 11-12-2015, 09:24 AM   #193
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thanks. We need all the help we can get.
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Old 11-12-2015, 09:49 AM   #194
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Hello All,

It's been 25 days now and our original shakedown continues... No major issue to report and we could not be happier with the FBTS slide-outs and floor plan.

We have leveled unit PRIOR to putting out slides each time since that's what we were told.. However, I do think it's interesting to considering doing it first.. You sure do hear the unit stressing as its leveling, but we've had no issues!!

We really like the long/wide opposing slides... Gives us lots of room! but then again we dont really have anything to compare it to, just know we really enjoy this layout!!!

Normandee... we would not change a thing!.. Good Luck!
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Old 11-12-2015, 10:20 AM   #195
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OK guys, here is my take.

One of the very first things that all of us needs to understand and know inside and out is the 6 point ground leveling system. It does not matter if it is hydraulic pump driven as some other manufacturers use or, whether it is 2.0 or 3.0 electric motor versions like most of us Pinnacle owners have.

If the system has been calibrated correctly from the git-go, it should not be putting any stress on the frame whatsoever! I erge all of you to learn how to do this. One of the best things that everyone should do is keep handy in the basement or storage compartment, a 2 foot carpenter's level. Periodically use it to check front to rear and side to side level after you have set up and made camp. Once the 6 point leveling system has been calibrated when the unit has been manually leveled, it should be good as long as nothing happens to it.

Now, as far as opening all or any of the slide rooms without the leveling system in use, some of you are going to disagree with what I am about to say.

As long as the unit is not grossly uneven from front to rear or side to side or from opposing corners, you should be able to open and close any of the rooms any amount of distance any time you want! I have done it successfully on 3 different units for the last 12 years with no damage. I have done it a couple times on the Pinnacle and haven't busted anything yet.

When I am making camp, I do set the unit level with the ground leveling system before I open the rooms. But, while it is doing that, I am hooking up utilities because, sometimes it may take several minutes for it to do its thing. Depending on how uneven the site might be.

Another thing to keep in mind........when engaging the leveling system, it is not a real good idea to have anyone walking around inside the unit. Especially, someone with a 260 pound rear like me. It could most likely confuse the leveling "brain".

As I said, some of you will disagree with what I have mentioned here. But, this is what has always worked for me.

Sorry for such a long post.
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Old 11-15-2015, 07:12 PM   #196
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Finally the day came and we got our new FBTS. Spent a little over two hours doing the demo along with three hours of inspection time two weeks ago. All systems checked good. The level system worked fine and I noticed it has 35 amp fuses and heavy wire ran to the controller mounted in the basement on the ceiling. We did find some stuff that needs to be replaced and repaired
1. The right slide roof TPO material is bunched up at the forward corner that when fully out lifts the rubber seal up.
2. The bottom of the same slide has a spot in the material about six inches that is scrapped up by rubbing on something when the slide is just about all the way in. Might of happened during build. I am going to place a piece of tape over to see if that also gets scraped up running the slide or was like that when built
3. One of the panels on 12 cubic ft Norcold frig is scratched and will be replaced
4. Salesman checked with Jayco to ensure back up camera came with the Garmin gps head unit and was told yes. It is just a display and see where that goes
5. The bed frame forward wood piece has deep ripped gouges and will be replaced
6. Numerous spots on interior wood trim needs to be touched up where the nail gun left open spots during install
7. Kitchen slide has a bad mount bracket. When slide is closed if you look at the Schwintec vertical support both sides have two metal brackets that connect the vertical support to the trailer wall. The right side bottom bracket was made to small and the screw holes are half in the metal and open. The screws are barely holding the bracket to the frame. Dealer is checking with Jayco on fix. Looks like an easy fix just to add a piece of metal to that section

Never pulled a fifth wheel and could not believe how it towed. It was like I was just driving the truck by itself. My TT with anti sway equalizer bars was no where as good as the FW. Also surprised that I got almost two mpg better than towing my TT at 60 mph. The FW is bigger and heavier but sleeker in the front than my TT. Spent the rest of Sat and all today running everything and filling all tanks to check guages and for leaks. No leaks anywhere but do have a bad bathroom gray tank shutoff valve. The pull handle is twice as stiff as the others and water will run at a small stream out the dump when closed. I filled that tank twice and ran valve numerous times and still leaks. It will empty a full tank in an hour when closed. Just ordered a twist on valve as a temporary fix until it goes back to dealer for the other stuff. We spent last night just relaxing inside ( with some cold ones) just enjoying it parked in the driveway. Cannot wait for the first trip to the Fl Panhandle turkey week. Will try and post some pics tomorrow of the bracket and slide TPO that is bunched up
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Old 11-15-2015, 07:33 PM   #197
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Not too bad Rock.. You will probably find something else after your trip.
Did you check the vacuum for the long screws? I'm curious to see if the bozo, who installs the vacuum, has been told to use some common sense yet.
All the units at my dealer still have the long screws poking out.
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On the vacuum u mean where the bag pushes on in the basement? If so mine has two screws that stick thru. I just pushed the bag cardboard so the screws pushed thru that. Will just cut them off with a dremel next time
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Old 11-15-2015, 08:07 PM   #199
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Ya there. Maybe your screws are smaller.. I have seen two different lengths now.

I don't know how you pushed that bag on. I messed up my bag trying to do that, cut a finger, had to pull everything out of the basement I had just put in, hurt my back crawling in to be in a good position, and hit my head on the corner of the morryde shelf at least 5 times.
I have a personal pet peeve with the screw installer.
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Sounds like u need to take the screw bozo deep sea fishing. You gotta wonder if they do some of this stuff on purpose.
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