Too much camper for our Ford F-150?

[Lindaks]

We have a 2009 Ford F-150 XLT SuperCab, we purchased a 2016 28’ Jayco Jayflight BHBE. The tow weight on our truck is 9800lb and the camper weight is 6540. We were told there would be no problem pulling the camper. The truck came with 235 70R 17 passenger tires but they were worn and needed replaced. We went to purchase new tires and they recommended a LT tire. They put on a size 265 70 R 17 Wrangler Adventure AT with Kevlar. We tried pulling our camper for a short trip and it was porpoisng (bouncing up and down) so bad we couldn’t hardly stand it! We have asked around to try and find out what to do about it and Ford told us that it is because we have the wrong size tire for our truck. They said an all terrain tire is too “meaty” for our truck. Goodyear told us the same thing but the tire store says it is not the tire. Please help if you have had this issue and found a resolution.
Do you think the camper is too much for our truck?

[Olgreyhair]

We purchased a 2013 28BHBE and our TV was a 2010 Ford F-150. After the first trip with the Ford, we traded for a Dodge Ram 2500 4X4 5.7 Hemi. It pulls much better and we feel much safer with the heavier truck.
Just my opinion.

[KCSA75]

Originally Posted by Lindaks

We have a 2009 Ford F-150 XLT SuperCab, we purchased a 2016 28’ Jayco Jayflight BHBE. The tow weight on our truck is 9800lb and the camper weight is 6540. We were told there would be no problem pulling the camper. The truck came with 235 70R 17 passenger tires but they were worn and needed replaced. We went to purchase new tires and they recommended a LT tire. They put on a size 265 70 R 17 Wrangler Adventure AT with Kevlar. We tried pulling our camper for a short trip and it was porpoisng (bouncing up and down) so bad we couldn’t hardly stand it! We have asked around to try and find out what to do about it and Ford told us that it is because we have the wrong size tire for our truck. They said an all terrain tire is too “meaty” for our truck. Goodyear told us the same thing but the tire store says it is not the tire. Please help if you have had this issue and found a resolution.
Do you think the camper is too much for our truck?

You may want to read through this thread. https://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/f...9bh-56884.html

[Colorado]

So the picture shows you the difference in actual tire SIZE and how it affects speedometer. I agree that you should have LT tires on your truck. I find it hard to believe that they had to increase your tire size to get you into an LT tire. Keep in mind a LT tire has a stiffer sidewall that will give you a bit stiffer ride that can be adjusted by taking a bit of air out of your tires.

Have you checked the tire pressure since the new tires were installed?
Did the tires balance out when they installed them?
An AT tire should not be to “meaty for your truck. Lol
Are you using a WDH?

[Lindaks]

Yes. The tires say a max 80 psi which made the truck ride horrible even when not towing. We took them down to 55 and got the bouncing. I dont know why they put the larger tires on when Goodyear says the recommended size tires are available. And yes we have a WDH.

[GrumpyDad]

Originally Posted by Lindaks

We have a 2009 Ford F-150 XLT SuperCab, we purchased a 2016 28’ Jayco Jayflight BHBE. The tow weight on our truck is 9800lb and the camper weight is 6540.
Do you think the camper is too much for our truck?

That trailer is 6540 lbs "DRY", so that's not the true weight going down the road. it's probably closer to the GVR rating of 9250 lbs.

Anyone who has towing issues, I highly recommend you take yourself to a CAT scale, get minimum three weights so you know your true loaded weight and tongue weight, and you know that your WD system is set up close to correctly.
Search the phrase "CAT scale" and there are several helpful threads on the subject.

I don't think the tires are your issue. What I do think is that you are right on the edge of your trucks ratings, and in fact, quite likely are OVER the payload rating if you have cargo in the bed. Get some real weights, then you can make a more informed set of decisions.

[ALJO]

Lindaks; if you are un-happy with the tires ask the tire shop of you can return them and replace them with P tires. If you are using your truck mostly without TT then you would have a much better ride.

[Colorado]

Originally Posted by GrumpyDad

That trailer is 6540 lbs "DRY", so that's not the true weight going down the road. it's probably closer to the GVR rating of 9250 lbs.

Anyone who has towing issues, I highly recommend you take yourself to a CAT scale, get minimum three weights so you know your true loaded weight and tongue weight, and you know that your WD system is set up close to correctly.
Search the phrase "CAT scale" and there are several helpful threads on the subject.

I don't think the tires are your issue. What I do think is that you are right on the edge of your trucks ratings, and in fact, quite likely are OVER the payload rating if you have cargo in the bed. Get some real weights, then you can make a more informed set of decisions.

X2! If you haven't driven across a scale (camp ready) then start there! Get your GVW, Tongue weight and a CGVW. Truck stops, moving companies, landscaping companies typically have scales you can pay to use.

[Rustic Eagle]

JOF CAT Scale how-to: https://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/f...v-tt-3871.html

Bob

[Iraqvet05]

I have to agree that a 28BHBE is too much camper for an F150. Camper_Bob had a similar set up so maybe he can give you some insight on his experience.

[Lindaks]

We are weighing it now but really dont know what the numbers mean....will posting a bit

[Camper_bob]

Originally Posted by Iraqvet05

I have to agree that a 28BHBE is too much camper for an F150. Camper_Bob had a similar set up so maybe he can give you some insight on his experience.

Yup, BTDT.

Not really much to say until weights are posted. But I could make some educated guesses if I knew the GVWR and curb weight of the truck. Both can be found in the door jamb of your truck. The GVWR is on the VIN placard. And really the curb weight on your tire and loading info sticker doesn't matter; what matters is the "unladen" scale weight of the truck as loaded with cargo, persons and full fuel (only excluding the trailer). Subtract this number from your GVWR, and that's what you have left for tongue weight. And this trailer likes to be loaded near 15% TW.

I have to agree with most of the others who have posted that this trailer is too much for that truck IN GENERAL. Sure, you can control to some extent how much you load into the trailer, and thus you can keep the weight down. And sure, there are 1/2 T class trucks (especially F-150s) that have the rated capability to handle this trailer. And you can always invest in a Hensly or ProPride hitch. But IN GENERAL, this trailer is 3/4T territory.

I also have to agree that it's not the tires causing your problem.

Most likely, the WDH and how it is set up is one source of your particular problem. Another source would be towing near the maximum of your truck's rated ability. Again, that's just an educated guess.

And it all likely started when the dealer said "Sure! You can tow this trailer with that truck! No problem!" It's been a recurring theme with trailer salesmen; they have no earthly idea what they're talking about and/or they're lying through their teeth to make a sale. Then a tech sets up your WDH (which very well could be underrated for your setup) for an empty trailer, or he just does it plain wrong. You get home, load all your gear, go on your first trip, and it all hits home; Too little truck, wrong hitch, improper setup, all adds up to serious problems. I know because I've been down that trail.

I spent hours re-configuring my hitch, and I even added equipment to my truck. I was able to make it work with what I had, but at the end, there was one immutable fact that I couldn't escape: Towing at, near, or above your maximum ratings is no good. I did the best I could for as long as I could and then ended up biting the bullet and getting into a 3/4T truck and never worried about it again.

[Lindaks]

TV is 5940, TT weighed 6580 without WDH and 6820 with total= 13,560

[Lindaks]

The GVWR on the truck sticker is 7000 minus the loaded truck weight of 5940 = 1060 Tingue weight??

[ALJO]

Total TT weight would be 6580 + 1060 = 7640 lbs. TW = 13.87%

Is this your loaded travel weight ready to go or is everything in empty state?

[Lindaks]

TV is 5940, TT weighed 6580 without WDH and 6820 with total= 13,560
GVWR on truck sticker is 7000, total loaded is 5940.

[Lindaks]

Everything loaded 100%
We probably have a few things we could remove from the camper and put in the bed of the truck if it would help

[ALJO]

All I can say it is a lot for a 1/2 ton, but I drive mine with comfort even if I would have 1500 mile trip. I just look at it this way: How many times will it be hooked up to my Truck and how many miles will the trips be on a regular basis. For daily driver a 1/2 ton is like a Cadillac. Here in BC we have a lot of mountain passes to deal with and the Ram 1500 handles it well. Each has to make his own decision and know their own comfort level.

[wags999]

Did the weight of the truck, include all passengers, fuel full and loaded as you would travel ? If your trucks GVWR is 7000, and your truck was 5940, that only leaves 1060 for your tongue weight. Did you weigh the truck with TT hitched to it? What was that weight, that will tell you if your over the 7000 GVWR. Or, on the drivers door jamb what is the cargo capacity of the truck...should be somewhere in the 1000, to 1500 lbs. That is how much you can carry in your truck including weight of TT, hitch, passengers and cargo, with batterie(s) on TT and full propane tanks. And TT loaded as you will typically be using it, with water if that is your choice.


It's all about numbers... Too little weight on the hitch can cause sway and other issues.


Good Luck.

[Lindaks]

Everything fully loaded...
TRuck is 5940, Camper weighed 6580 without WDH and 6820 with total= 13,560
GVWR on truck sticker is 7000, total loaded is 5940.
We do have somethings in the camper we could move to the bed of the truck if it would help