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Old 04-25-2015, 11:31 PM   #71
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Can I ask why you like the lower suspension? When I saw one in person I was like wow! That's really low. Worried that it would easily scrape ground. I was happy that they were being raised. I know nothing about axles and suspensions though.
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Old 04-26-2015, 02:47 AM   #72
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CM… Few reasons… all personal preferences after having a JayFeather with the Dexter Axles and being lower.

The Torsion Axles offer a much smoother ride when towing and moving about the cabin (my personal opinion) and are attached up in the frame by bolts versus exterior to the bottom of the frame by welded brackets. Now my JayFeather has the NORCO/BAL Frame which is pieced together by bolts where all the others are welded I Beam or C Channel, so there is that difference as well. I was astonished at how the brackets were welded and gusseted to the frames when I got under the JayFlight, White Hawk and even the Eagles. I can't remember which one it was but the U Spring Brackets were not welded down the center of the frame but offset and a thin piece of metal was welded from the the U Bracket to the side of the frame. I did look at a JayFlight 23MBH recently and it was welded down the center, so might have just been that particular trailer.

As heavy as the trailers are and with them being so high up with the center of gravity high it was a scary proposition to me. Maybe coming from an Engineering, Machining and Fabrication background I tend to look at these things differently.

I tow with a 2007 Expedition EL and like the trailer to be lower for wind resistance and less High Center of Gravity sway (Toppling Effect), all this might be my perceived ideas and feelings but I have seen many a newer higher trailer being towed down the highway severely nose down, this could have a lot to do with the owner not taking time to set his hitch height correctly. I would have to move mine up like 12 inches to accommodate a higher trailer and keep it level, that does not seem like a safe or fun proposition and for me not one I would feel comfortable with towing with my current TV. If I had a F250 Diesel, I would feel less worried but with that said...

Another is they are so high now you have 3 or 4 steps to get up into it, they are so high the scissor jacks won't even touch the ground with out 1 or 2 4"X4"'s under them. This is just not something I want to deal with (as well my DW has bad knees).

We camp a lot at State Campgrounds in Florida that are in "Hammocks" and the higher trailers could get damaged from driving under the trees, either on the campground roads or backing in to your site, when I look at the JayFlights versus the Jay Feathers, they just appear so much bigger and more to handle (once again personal opinion) Our X19H has 13" Wheels, which makes it even lower to the ground and at this time we have never bottomed out or scraped anywhere.

In the end we want to move up in size and stay under 26" total length and the 23MBH (or 23BHM JayFeather) would be perfect… if only they were not so high with the Leaf Spring suspension on top of the Axle versus below it as in the old days.

After looking at the JayFlight/White Hawks against Lance (as an example) I figured out partly why they are so high. To be lower you have to have a wheel well, if you have a slide over the wheel well you have to step UP into the slide area, as an example a U Dinette. The Lance you have to step up, they use Dexter Axles and have wheel wells for the Wheels to go up into like the current JayFeathers. The JayFlight/White Hawk, you do not have to step up in the slide dinette, it is flush to the floor. Those trailers do not have wheel wells to contend with because the camper "box" is raised up above the wheels.

The Lance Trailers fit what I am looking for, albeit at a much higher price. We really want to stay with Jayco so here is to hoping the new JayFeather 23BHM is not a sky high trailer.

Attached are photos of our current setup which we have no trouble getting in and out of places with… not sure how I would feel with an extra 13 inches minimum of height to deal with (difference between a JFeather X19H and a JFlight 23MBH) and a photo of a 23MBH we were looking at, 1 Step on the JayFeather, 3 on the JayFlight with a positive of the JayFlight being the 15" wheels.

As I said… it's all personal feelings and what you are comfortable with individually… I would never tell anyone to do one thing or another as it is up to each of us individually what we chose to do.
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Old 04-26-2015, 10:26 AM   #73
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MIFL19H, Thank you for that long, detailed response. I will have to reread it a couple of more times. :-)

Just wanted to say I did confirm with the Jayco rep that the new jay feathers will be same height as the 2015 was with the 2" lift. So only 2" higher. That is with the x254 but maybe with all of them too? Does that help you at all know which axle they're using?
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We hear what MIFL19H is saying; for us, higher is better because we go over some pretty rough roads, and if the one we're getting weren't high enough, we'd have to have it raised. To each their own, and happy camping to us all!
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Old 04-26-2015, 11:03 AM   #75
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That's what I was thinking too being here on the west coast. Flat, smooth campgrounds are the minority. ;-)

BTW, I will be towing our new X254 with an Expedition.
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Old 04-26-2015, 07:27 PM   #76
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Thanks for the info on the heights of the 2016's. For the 23 BHM which is the layout we like, if they build the slide like an X23B then they could use the Torq Flex axles as the slide is above the wheel well, the dinette would be raised and you would have to step up into it like the Lance 2185. If they build it like the X23U then it will have leaf springs and the dinette slide will be flush to the floor and the trailer "box" will be raised like the 2015 X23U.

We have spent a lot of time in our X19H in some tight campgrounds in FL and have been all they to Williamsbug, VA and places in between and just spent a week in the North Georgia mountains and we did not have any issues but I can see in some areas out west that higher is better.

It is interesting that Lance Campers is located in California and their trailers are of the lower variety though not as low as my X19H which does have the 2" factory lift kit.

Excited to see what comes out, we are selling our X19H as we won't be able to camp until the end of the year so we will not be purchasing until Nov/Dec so we have time to wait and see... we really want to stay with a Jayco.

The JayFeather being higher is not as bad as the bigger JayFlights and Whitehawks so they should be more manageable so will be anxiously awaiting to see one in person. As we all agree it is what serves our individual camping needs the best.

Thanks again for posting the 2016 info...
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Old 04-27-2015, 02:15 PM   #77
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We ordered our 2016 JayFlight last Monday and were told the order would be submitted Wednesday and we should have our trailer in June. Can't wait to see it!
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White Hawk color schemes

The factory sent us samples. We don't have the leatherette for the "Twilight" upholstery, but it's off-white-ish, and the standard counter is the same for all of them. Here they are. (On the "Shadow, the upholstery's on the top and the leatherette in the middle; on "Coffee," the cloth upholstery's on the top and the accent - with the design - is in the middle.)

We first chose the Twilight, but the more DW looked at the sample the less she liked it, so now we're going with "Shadow," because we want the leatherette sofa. "Coffee" comes with cloth.

Our dealer said he can order the White Hawk 23MRB (replaces the 20MRB) "in early May." We don't have exact order, build, or delivery dates. But ...
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Old 04-28-2015, 07:47 PM   #79
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2016 Eagle TT Information

I have been able to find some pictures of the new 2016 Eagle TT/5er. These photos show the new cabinetry, wall treatments, carpet, as well as interiors (Havana, Java, and Almond). I have attached those files that meet the size restrictions set forth here on the forum (but I have more).

Hope this helps many of you with your future decisions. If I can find anymore information, I will be sure to share.
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Additional 2016 Eagle TT Information

I have also been able to locate the Eagle Travel Trailer order sheet but unfortunately the prices are still shown as TBD. I also have several more interior photos (some of 5ers). These photos show the new stainless steel appliances, plumbing fixtures, bathroom updates, flooring updates (carpet and tile), as well as the new control center.

I cannot upload any of these documents as they are too large per our forum rules.

If anyone would like a copy, feel free to IM me and I can email them to you.
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