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Old 02-18-2013, 05:45 PM   #11
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I don't think it really matters about the battery and propane, these are simply weights that increase the GVW of the TT. The best solution is to load the truck up with everything that you expect to have in the TV when your are actually towing (cargo, kids, pets etc). Take the loaded truck to the CAT scale and determine the actual GVW and GAW's. once you have these you can calculate the available payload by subtracting the actual GVW from the GVWR. Now you can simply calculate 13% of the GVWR of the trailer you interested in to see if it's a safe match. You may not load the trailer to the GVWR, if that is the case you can use the yellow sticker weight and add between 800 - 1000 lbs as an average or typical camping load. Anyway the use is to balance the overall weight of the trailers payload to try and get the to tongue weight at or near the 10 - 15% the is recommended by the OEM's.

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It was a 2011 double cab long bed 4x4 4.0 v6.

Since the Tacoma's hitch weight limit is 650 lbs or somewhere around there, I think you need to be looking at a trailer with no more than 400 lbs dry tongue weight. As soon as you add batteries and propane you'll be really close even then.
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The number I am not seeing, and maybe I missed it, is the actual GCWR. I have a feeling you are going to be pushing right at that number. The reason this concerns me, looking at the Toyota website, the highest GCWR I see is 11,100lbs. If the TV is at 4770 + 5300lbs, that puts you at 10070, which just gives you a 1000lb margin, to me that's cutting it close.
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I have one 06 dbl cab long box weight of trailer will be around 5200 lbs ... I will be fine. they are tough trucks ... i plan on keeping mine for a couple of years then trading up into a F150
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Seeing this and other threads on towing capacity sent me to my owner's manual, again, for our 2011 Silverado 1500. It's a 4WD extended cab/long bed with the HD towing package with 5.3L V8 and 3.42 gears. GVW for it is 7,000. Maximum trailer weight to tow is 9,300; combined truck/trailer weight is 15,000. This should allow a comfortable margin for the WhiteHawk 27DSRL with gross weight of 7,500 plus/minus, depending on how we load it.

Interestingly, though, going a few more pages through the manual to the 2500 (or 3/4 ton) version, same 4WD/Extended cab/long bed, with the 6.0 V8 and 3.73 gears, it only gains 100 lbs to 9,400 for total trailer weight; and 1000 lbs, to 16K for combined weight of truck and trailer. Looks like it's only when you upgrade to the 3500 (1 ton) truck that you see real weight hauling gains.

I've had good experience with this truck hauling our skid steer on a 18' flatbed, total weight of around 8K; and a water trailer, with 700 gallons of water, unit likely weighs 7K plus. The Allison transmission in tow mode does a great job with TX hill country hills; and also at downshifting when slowing down. The test will come this August when we haul the new WhiteHawk to OR!

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snip..... Interestingly, though, going a few more pages through the manual to the 2500 (or 3/4 ton) version, same 4WD/Extended cab/long bed, with the 6.0 V8 and 3.73 gears, it only gains 100 lbs to 9,400 for total trailer weight; and 1000 lbs, to 16K for combined weight of truck and trailer. Looks like it's only when you upgrade to the 3500 (1 ton) truck that you see real weight hauling gains.....snip
Mike,

Where the notable difference comes into play between a 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton is in the Payload Capacity and GVWR, which helps a lot with the heavier loaded tongue weights. Here is a recent thread started on the subject: https://www.jaycoowners.com/showthrea...9-1500-to-2500

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Old 02-18-2013, 06:40 PM   #16
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Here are the specifics:

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Dry Weight (actual dry weight, from sticker on the door. Includes full propane tanks): 4950lbs
We camp pretty light so I figure we wouldn't have more than 300lbs of equipment, plus about 500lbs in the TV to account for the family and suit cases.
Hey Dan - just a couple of observations and opinions I will throw out (I am not a tow expert!)....

First of all....I would not want to be on the edge and say "only 300lbs" of equipment. In my opinion that really would limit you. I know by the time I had some cokes, water bottles, dutch ovens, charcoal, firewood, etc it really starts to add up. You may feel that way to start, but once you find how nice it is to have some of those amenities with you, it might change what you want to bring. You will be amazed how fast stuff adds up - clothes, mattress topper, oven stone, coffee maker, etc....

Second - I would recommend you do some research on brake controllers and see about upgrading to a good proportional controller. I have never had a time delay controller, but I dont think you would be happy with that either pulling a large load.

Hope all works out for you! Please let us know what you decide.
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Towing the 26BH with a Toyota Tacoma

Gvwr, gcwr, axle ratings, are all irrelevant at this point. You are going to run out of room on your hitch rating before anything else most likely. If the limit is 640 tongue weight, at a conservative 13%, that means a max LOADED trailer weight of 4923 lbs. The hitch weight might be as high as 15%, then you'll be over your hitch limit. The 26bh by your own numbers is at or above that weight without any of your stuff in it.

Sorry, don't think it's going to work if you care about staying in limits.
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Gvwr, gcwr, axle ratings, are all irrelevant at this point. You are going to run out of room on your hitch rating before anything else most likely. If the limit is 640 tongue weight, at a conservative 13%, that means a max LOADED trailer weight of 4923 lbs. The hitch weight might be as high as 15%, then you'll be over your hitch limit. The 26bh by your own numbers is at or above that weight without any of your stuff in it.

Sorry, don't think it's going to work if you care about staying in limits.
Good points ... I am close to my limit at 4339 dry another 600-800 lbs I would not have bought it.
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Hi Ken,

Are you not suppose to balance your trailers load to achieve the appropriate/desired tongue weight based on your trailers total GVW?

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Gvwr, gcwr, axle ratings, are all irrelevant at this point. You are going to run out of room on your hitch rating before anything else most likely. If the limit is 640 tongue weight, at a conservative 13%, that means a max LOADED trailer weight of 4923 lbs. The hitch weight might be as high as 15%, then you'll be over your hitch limit. The 26bh by your own numbers is at or above that weight without any of your stuff in it.

Sorry, don't think it's going to work if you care about staying in limits.
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Hi Ken,

Are you not suppose to balance your trailers load to achieve the appropriate/desired tongue weight based on your trailers total GVW?

Ron
Sure, to an extent. But, the general guidelines are that you need 10-15% of the total trailer weight on the hitch, with the upper end of that range being preferred for stable towing. If you try to load too much on the rear of a trailer to lighten tongue weight you can end up with a very unstable tow. Also, if you ever tow with anything other than totally empty tanks, you have very little control over where that weight ends up. Most likely it's going to be in front of the axles contributing to more tongue weight, especially the fresh water tank.

Another thing to consider is that the tongue weights listed are just estimates. The tongue weight for my 24fbs is listed in the Jayco literature as 605 lbs. I weighed it totally empty and it was more like 640 lbs, I'm sure some of that coming from the weight of the wd hitch. My literature shows the 26bh at 560 lbs dry hitch weight which leaves you very little room for error.

When I had my Tacoma and we were looking at trailers, we really liked the 19rd, but ruled it out because its hitch weight of 510 and overall weight of 3970 lbs was cutting it really close. The 26bh is a lot more trailer than that.
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